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Does anyone understand the Ending?


I watched this last night late and found it so good that I forced myself to stay awake until the end at 2am. I'm not sure I got what happened at the end. Bob was talking a a guy in the lobby in the morning and made eye contact of some significance with Larry who was watching them talk.
Was Fuller the guy? Also, Bob and Larry seemed to reach a mutual understanding during that eye contact. Was Larry telling Bob that he'd got it right all along and that talking religion was the "way" to get this particular client. Was Bob in the process of netting the Big Kahuna for the firm or was he just continuing his conversation?

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I think it was of an understanding they had, that both had gained some fresh perspective from Phil and could learn to embrace their differences. Kind of a silent apology between them, and a new bond formed through conflict.

Almost that old "boys will be boys" thing; I know when I was a kid I made a lot of friends by getting in fistfights, drawing a little of each others' blood, and gleaning some mutual respect from the fact we both stood up for ourselves as individuals - which allows you to accept the other at face value.

Then again, I'm an idiot. =)

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This is just the kind of a film you would watch late at night. There's something in those late hours that makes me especially perceptive to subtle shaded slow going movies. The next morning I always feel as if I had live it all through myself.

That very next morning it hit me - the entire movie Bob has been perceived as a rookie, but the whole time he was the "Great Salesman". The look at the end between Larry and Bob was when he was recognized by Larry - the very guy who believed to have had the great knowledge about the Business. Sort of that Murdoch guy they all talked about, except this one was selling God. Phil told him that. And he became aware of that (hence his emotive reaction on Phil's speech). And Larry became aware of that and paid him respect at the end. After all, Larry was leaving for the bench while Bob was scoring big time (in a non-sexual way). ;-)

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i think that he was the rookie the whole time. even when phil was talking to him at the end.
he realized after all of that he could use that he repoire with fuller to his advantage.

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I dissagree entirely.

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Almost that old "boys will be boys" thing; I know when I was a kid I made a lot of friends by getting in fistfights, drawing a little of each others' blood, and gleaning some mutual respect from the fact we both stood up for ourselves as individuals - which allows you to accept the other at face value.


Yeah, I think that makes sense.

What hump?

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i was confused about the ending when i first saw it, but watching it again i think it's apparent that bob at the end was talking to fuller and i assume talking to him about business trying to make up for his mistake of not doing it the other night. i think the look (and i'm just guessing here) is that larry noticed that he was looked different, you can call it humbled and when he smiled larry knew that he was talking to fuller so he smiled in return.

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IMHO...the final scene of this movie was perfect.
The looks that BOB and Larry shared said it all...........

Larry's said:" Bob, I see you got up early,Found Mr Fuller and hopefully you're selling Lubicants instead of GOD ! Afterall; Phil and I shared with you some of the best wisdom any human could ever learn."

Bob's somewhat sheepish look said: " G'morning Phil,I am indeed talking to Mr. Fuller about what it is came here to accomplish,
sell him our lubricants. The talk with Phil about character and regret finally made sence to me. I guess we're all lucky that I did'nt piss him off with all the god talk.Turns out he's a Christian like me. See ya later with a fat contract!"

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I agree with bbug...to a point, obviously Mr. Fuller wasn't upset by Bob's talk of God if he invited him to a private party after that.

I think Bob was apologizing, by bringing them Fuller (he's not in Sales, so he's not going to get a contract, his "function" was to be on the technical end)and Larry was already apologetic, when he called earlier to apologize to Bob and told Phil he loved him.

So, I think that the look between them was the "I'm sorry" "it's ok" bonding kind of smile. I really enjoyed this movie (I've said that a lot)

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i think the look (and i'm just guessing here) is that larry noticed that he was looked different, you can call it humbled and when he smiled larry knew that he was talking to fuller so he smiled in return.

I've always translated it as "Bob now knows he has something to regret. Look at his face, notice how regret has reached out and carved itself into his expression, and note that he now has a shred of character."

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Indeed. I never put it in those words but the look of character DID show on his face at the end. Personally, besides the implications of the "look", I believe that Bob was talking simply continuing his genuine conversation with Fuller about God....and if lubes came up then it would be prefixed by some explanation. I don't believe Bob was the type to all of a sudden turn into a shark salesman.

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Im not seeing him talking too Fuller about business, I think he was still promoting God to him, but by the look of him that Larry saw, Bob was extremely relaxed looking like a Pitchman would look when he is someones home hocking realestate or something.
He was selling, and selling well just he was selling God. He is no different than any other salesmen and Larry acknowledged it, and therefore no greater a person because he pitched God with pioty as one would pitch lubricants.
Phil was right after all.

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I thought Bob looked very comfortable and confident when he was shown talking with Fuller. He was self conscious and behaved and spoke like a guy new to business, seemed very naive, and was dogged in his moral beliefs throughout to Larry and Phil.

He appeared uncomfortable and sounded naive when in the company of Larry. He seemed a little less so with Phil, but he didn't see Phil as a threat to him either.

I thought Larry picked up a sense about Bob early on...that he wasn't who he claimed to be...that he was too "good", too "moral", etc...and even went off about a guy Bob had worked with and admired, because the guy was a charlatan, a liar, a *beep* etc...and he called him out.

Later, he does the same with Bob. He calls *beep* to his claim he was just having a conversation about God with the guy that was the focus to the goal of the convention, to sell lubricants.

Bob says he doesn't drink liquor, just beer occasionally, however, he appears to be drinking a mixed drink at the Hotel party with Fuller.

At the end of the night, they all plan to meet downstairs at 9am for breakfast, appearing defeated and spent for different reasons. But Bob wakes up early it seems. He has business to attend to, a mission to finish.

The young, naive Bob is the new competition to Larry, only he is better at the game when it came to selling. There he was now, confident and engaged in conversation, appearing to Larry as he really is from his perspective as he glances over and sees him.

I believed the look between the two of them was that, Bob smirks, saying "Yes, you were right not to believe me. I am not that clueless. I am hungry and ambitious. I wanted to win and I did." Larry's look goes from quick look of surprise to a look of understanding. He smiles and says, "Exactly! I knew it! Congratulations, you win!" His instincts about Bob were right, and this pleased him. He perhaps was second guessing his reactions to the kid, regretting his poor` behavior...but now he knows. A new Kahuna rising through the ranks. He could appreciate this insight. Whether it's lubricants or God, your selling...when you steer the conversation, it is no longer a conversation, it's selling!

Maybe I'm jaded, but that's how I took it. The business world is nothing personal, no matter how we wish it otherwise! ;)

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I think this is going too far. I do think Bob landed the Kahuna in the final scene (or was at least going to pass him off to his coworkers); but I don't think he had a Machiavellian plot all along.

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You have to look at their faces very carefully. At first, the looks are solomn, sharing their regrets from the altercation at the end of last night. BUT! Then Larry looks EVER SO SLIGHTLY down and to his right and notices who Bob is talking up, THE BIG KAHUNA! Bob then returns a smile to Larry to say "yeah, I get it now and know why I am here in Wichita. I am taking care of business." Larry returns the smile to acknowledge his respect of Bob for doing so.

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I believe the look between Larry and Bob was an understanding. There is a lot of symbolism with their relationship. I think it starts with a more practical interpretation though. There is a circle of reverence between the three main characters, Larry, Phil, and Bob. The story is driven by that reverence circling in one direction. We see Phil's reverence of Larry because of Larry's honesty, Phil's reverence of Bob because of Bob's vitality, and Bob's reverence of Phil because Phil out-and-out earns Bob's respect and fear. The final scenes are a reversal of that reverence, so we ultimaetly see it flowing both ways; the meaning in my mind is that people have to conceed what they want to believe for what they actually believe. So in the end, we hear what we believe is Larry's reverence for Phil with the "I love you" phone call. Then we see Bob's reverence for Larry, because he is scared as *beep* when he looks up and sees Larry in the lobby. Once one arrives at this point of the analysis is where the truly imaginative part of the story arrives. We have to account the abscence of Phil's reverence for Bob. We can assume it, under the pretense that Phil is going through a spiritual catharsis and they are both on board with their belief in God. However, the point of Phil's abscence is that Fuller is symbolicly representative of Phil, insofar as we see Fuller's reverence for Bob by virtue of their three encounters. The nature of Fuller's reverence for Bob opens up an entire can of worms as to whether Fuller is actually trying to hire, or steal Bob. Then there is the further interpretation that Bob symbolicly represents Larry's wife, and that the relationship between Bob and Fuller is representative of Phil's relationship with Larry's wife; and that the "I love you" phone call is actually Larry's wife calling Phil because Phil and she are having an affair. So with this, Larry's look is so much more as it actually symbolizes not only the knowledge, but also the consent of the relationship between Phil and his wife.

That is my interpretation after watching the film last night. What makes this film great though is that my interpretation somewhat evolves and changes every time I see it.

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the ending is it there is no solution for u to understand.
all of u are speculating on what u think is going on but U
DON'T KNOW.maybe thats the ending.speculate on that.

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I know how to use a spacebar and a shift key. I do know that.

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Lmao ChuckTaylor you are my hero!



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You people make me LoL.

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Damn, but I'm confused. I'd like to believe that at the end Bob was netting the Big Kahuna - that would be nice, since I think the point of going to a convention IS to get a client - but on the other hand, Bob might just be 'taking about stuff' again.

But then, maybe Phil's conversation about regret is to show us that at the end, Bob regrets not having made a pitch at all...

But it's all just speculation. Sometimes I almost wish they would tell us how it's 'supposed to be.'

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They netted Fuller? I missed that.

But I love this film. It reminds me in spirit of "American Beauty" and the hidden life behind things.




Honour thy parents. They were hip to the groove too once you know.

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That is exactly how I came away from this movie. Bob is not naive like he seemed. He was getting the job done behind the backs of Larry and Phil. He wanted it for himself. He used God to manipulate his coworkers, and we really have no idea how he steered the conversation with the Kahuna, but no doubt he knew what he was doing, and was the new and upcoming salesman. Very clever movie!

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I disagree. I think Bob and Larry bonded a little, as someone suggested, after their fight. Both realized that the other sincerely believed in what they were doing, with God and with loyalty to the company.

And they both grew a little. Larry realized the value of connecting with people on a real, human level (which involved Jesus, in this case). Bob realized that for all his cynicism, Larry is devoted to his wife and to his job and those things are of value also.

Bob is not a salesman. But with their eye contact, Bob let Larry know that he was about to say to the Big Kahuna:

Bob: "oh, Mr. Fuller, by the way, here is my co-worker Larry. We work together in industrial lubricants".

Mr. Fuller: "Nice to meet you Larry. Hey, my company does significant dealings in industrial lubricants..."

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Perhaps you are right to a degree. But seeing Bob drinking at the after hours party, and looking so relaxed compared to how he is with his fellow co workers leaves me to think there is more to it. Also, the fantasy sequence of Bob making cocktails behind the bar like Tom Cruise in Cocktails, but that is not really good evidence he was not who he seemed.

Did Bob introduce him? I mean, did it seem like Larry was going to approach the table, that Bob was welcoming him to join them at the table? I seem to remember Larry walking the other way after the look, but I need to watch again to be sure, and look forward to watching with your perspective in mind and see how I come away with my interpretation.

I tend to fall on the cynical side of life myself, so thanks for sharing, and I will let you know what I think after I watch it- I own the DVD, so I'm going to check it out tonight.

Cheers!

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bob IS the salesman because he speaks the same language as fuller. in sales, you must know your audience. you must speak their language. larry and phil discovered that bob speaks the same 'language' as the big kahuna when bob revealed that he was talking to fuller about dogs at the party in the suite they had. fuller concealed his name and title probably because he wished for his experience (and those in the future, with whatever company he chose to give a contract to, for their lubricants to use in his business) to be that of one human being, not a company. he enjoyed talking dogs to bob--he explained his life experiences (which is how he came to own his company) via a story of a long string of the dogs that had been with him in his lifetime from boyhood until now, and guess who listened in earnest to him as a human being? bob! bob discovered that fuller enjoyed talking about jesus, and bob was thoroughly happy speaking to fuller about christ/god.

in both instances, larry and phil, but particularly larry, learned that lesson: know thine audience. know them before you get down to the nitty gritty of talking shop and contracts.

at the end, larry realizes that they will secure fuller's account, since he can see that bob, not a salesman but an R & D man, was in fact the salesman that he was not, so he smiles at bob at the end. there was nothing to lose. it would simply take a little more time than being at a convention for a couple of days where fuller was and where he did not want to talk shop, but to talk human to human. bob developed the future sale by talking the same language as fuller.

and no, i do not think there was any indication that larry was sleeping with phil's wife. what evidence is there of that?

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I think Bob IS the Big Kahuna. This is like an episode of Undercover Boss! Why do we never see the old man very clearly? But that's when we see Bob at his most confident, genuine and not being fake at all, and also when we see him in the most detail, it's slow motion film. Phil and Larry admitted they DIDN'T know what the Big Kahuna really looked like, so should we assume the old grey-haired man was him? Bob goes undercover to see if this huge deal should go through, to see if these guys had any moral fiber, because this deal is so big. Remember how he had the business card ready, that was his own business card! Remember how confident he was at that high powered party, like he owned the place? He even offered the old guy some food like the owner would. Larry finally realized it when he saw him in his natural state in the lobby, and he let Bob know he knew.

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Wild theory, but I don't think so. What about the whole discussion of the guy Bob worked under, who had all the patents? And how would Bob be CEO at such a young age?

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The ending was Bob making the sale to the Kahuna, thats all it is and was. He took what he'd learned from the night before and was doing it, in the midst of this is when eye contact was made and his smile showed it, he got a smile back.

Roll credits.

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