This really pissed me off about the show because it was well established even in Beast Wars that Cybertron was never organic infact the fact that the Quintessons builty Cybertron should be the evidence to say no it was never organic. if they had left it as the Oracle simply wanted to make Cybertron Organic then fine but adding its past history really *beep* up its continuity
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Your so right, per Gen 1 the Quints created Cybertron. But like most story arcs things do change unfortunately. I would say this...The Quintessons found this organic planet created vector sigma and used the key to change the planet to their specifications. Mainly a machine/tech planet.
One could say the Quints have been doing this for centuries across the galaxy w/other planets.
Just a thought :)
It was never said the Quintessons made Cybertron from nothing, and it fits their MO that they'd terraform over an existing world rather than make a brand new one.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=bL6IwVKuAoQ
And even in the G1 cartoon series, we caught glimpses of "organic" rock layers under the surface of the planet, further proving the civilization must have been built on something, and that Cybertron could in fact have had an organic core.
sharei posted this in another thread but ill say it again here. i still liked BW better than BM for the same reason. i dislike the fact that they changed everyones personalities and made the show as a whole more darker than Beast Wars. I've always been a TF fan and even a fan of BW but after seeing the follow up, i was a bit disappointed. i mean it was sort of entertaining but it got boring for me b/c theyd always be doing the same thing every episode, running away from or fighting vehicons and the whole organic life on cybertron concept is just lame. it is a new idea but it doesnt work well in the TF universe; especially since theres never been any mention of organic life on the planet. its always been technical.
shareThey didn't change everyone's personalities just like that. That's just hyperbole. And the personality changes actually made were explored and justified.
There was always mention of organic life on Cybertron. This was just the first show to do anything about it.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=bL6IwVKuAoQ
Im not saying you're wrong but if you could point out when they mentioned anything about organics on cybertron id appreciate it. I have TF Gen1, BW, and BM on dvd and just recently finished watching BW and BM; don't remember there ever being anything like that. It just seems like they wanted to bring something new to the TF universe but correct me if im wrong. Even in Beast Machines the characters themselves did say theyd never heard of there ever being organics on Cybertron. I forget which episode it was though. Optimus was explaining about the oracle.
shareIn one episode with the Dinobots having to mine some rare substance on Cybertron we see the deep interior was like a Earth Mine with dirty and rock and everything.
The past Cybertron seen in "Forever is a long time coming" had dirt mountains on it.
"Dweller in the Depths" had an organic rock/dirt interior to deep Cybertron.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=bL6IwVKuAoQ
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In the G1 series the humans could breath just fine on cybertron, BEFORE the 20 year time skip, if that dosn't explain that Cybertron must be organic, then explain how Carly, Spike, and Chip didn't drop dead from no air, or die from breathing what could be considered air on Cybertron, something like Methane, EXPLAIN!
Also, it was never said in BW that Cybertron was purly robotic, I mean where the hell did it come from then?
Also, the Quints never built Cybertron, just the Transformers.
Actually, in the cartoon it was stated that Cybertron was a giant factory the Quints used to make robots and other experiments (The Transorganics), I think it's safe to say that they built it. And it also makes sense that they'd build it over an organic world rather than build the whole thing from scratch.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=bL6IwVKuAoQ
Ever wonder how things could explode on Cybertron with all that fighting going on... or how Daniel and Spike and Carly could breathe on Cybertron, you know, what without any air and all? Naturally, there must have been SOME form of an ecological system on the planet at some point,
Not to mention that, you know, ENTIRE ORGANIC WORLD IN THE MIDDLE OF CYBERTRON in Madman's Paradise.
But, you know, people seem to overlook that.