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Cybertron=Earth?, Robots=Humans?, Oh the Philosophy of Beast Machines

posted 19 years ago by Noah4_05
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first off im going to try and answer a question from a different thread which was "how did waspinator get to cybertron?" they discussed the topic there but my answer ties to this thread so i am posting it here instead.

i think it could be possible for waspinator to drift through space. he is a robot after all. he could drift under a form of stasis, which would conserve his energy for a very long time. long enough to make the trip im sure. and im sure that a live stasis program, not those with a pod, would have a continuous background scanner program running with it. this program would reboot the robot from stasis in case of danger such as debris. even if he didnt, in space he would just bounce of a comet or asteroid because they dont move very fast and it cant have much force no matter how fast it is moving. he would just ricochet, especially if he is mad of metal because it is harder to impale then flesh.

but i think waspinator didnt travel anywhere but time, in a sense. i have only seen beast wars & machines so one of the other series could have explained this. i think cybertron is earth, only way in the future. if so waspinator would only have to wait which would have "took forever." here are my reasons. cybertron used to be organic and has an organic core. the transwarp time jump-from old cybertron/earth to future cybertron/earth. notice when nightscream falls in those holes and lands in a pit of fossils. all of which are earth animal fossils. and he takes the form of a bat- common earth animal. i mean it is hard to believe another planet just so happens to evolve the exact same species of animals across the galaxy. and notice cybertron has one moon which odd resembles our moon only modified with some kind of metal tracks.

one thing im not sure about is whether or not the robots are modified humans or if they are aliens that took our planet over after we died out. i think they are human descendents. i believe that future humans create robots and then learn a way to implant their own souls(will later be called "sparks") into the mechanical bodies. it makes sense, these bodies are stronger store more information live longer are resistant to disease or other natural hazards and can more easily interface with other technologies. i mean more prosthetics are becoming mechanical and from there it is only a matter of time before a full mechanical and humanlike body can be created. and the transferring a human consciousness into it. makes sense that they were created by us to harbor us. which would also explain that they take a humanoid form in their robotic modes. we made them in our own image. therefore: matrix=god, oracle=jesus, megatron vs. optimus=classic evil vs. good or the duality of mankind. and god/matrix in a final attempt to save his beloved humanoids from themselves(yet again) restores existence by finding a balance between our natural past and our technological future. a compromise between the natural bodies he gave us and the mechanical bodies we gave ourselves. thus earth/cybertron became a technorganic world with the ideal of "balance, balance, balance" being taught to its inhabitants, starting with optimus's surviving team members. and one more thing: at the end of all the matrix/god's work the sun once again rose upon cyberearth beacuse after all his work god said "let there be light" and he saw it was good. peace and balance achieved at long last. amen.

but then again it could be explained as the spirit ghea(earth) being the matrix/oracle and she attempts to revive herself and her children. so the show could be explain multi-religiously depending upon the interpreter. i just didnt want to sound like a overly christian crazy person. its just more people are familiar with christian principles.

i enjoyed watching beast wars more but beast machines had much, much more depth and philosophical meaning to it -i hope it also added a layer of interest for all of you as well. you just had to watch carefully for the little subtle clues they gave us. but i could be wrong, its just my guess. sorry it took so long to say that crap. i hope someone reads all of this. let me know what you think. if you like or dislike, affirm or disprove, or if you have questions or want further explaining please tell me.

[–] yamidarknessarchfiend 19 years ago

I do believe that the origin of the Transformers was covered in the original series. I also believe that said Transformers were created by an alien race. The humanoid aspect was to make the humanoids around them more comfortable. Of coruse there is always the chance that the little bits and pieces I have stumbled across are completely from the left wing. However, I must admit your explanation is very thought provoking.

[–] Anxiety1138 19 years ago

I don't know the origin of the Transformers, but since Beast Wars is actually suppose to tie in with the original Transformers show, then it would be impossible for what you are saying to be true. It is interesting, but in the original series, they actually travel between Cybertron and Earth, in "real time." By that I mean that they don't travel between time. In the movie (my only real source to the original series) Decepticons attack Earth and Optimus travels to Earth FROM Cybertron, this is all before Transwarp technology. So since Beast Wars is suppose to be the same timeline as the original, you are completely wrong. Interesting idea, though.

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[–] god-26 19 years ago

hate to burst your bubble man but it could work if you include the japanese g1 continuity made up of headmasters masterforce and victory. they got headmasters as a whole new series instead of the crappy 3 part rebirth storyline we got that ended g1 back in the day. one thing about headmasters cybertron exploded man. like tottally gone.

[–] Anxiety1138 19 years ago

Well that's just prime.

Well you see my only real link to G1 is the movie. I haven't seen the series. I wouldn't know that. Well, thanks for the info.

The weak only strive to be weaker.

Beings that are born of dreams must return to them.

[–] flamemasterelc 8 years ago

As great as Beast Wars was, it really isn't a direct continuation of the Generation One cartoon. The backstory is, in fact, a hybrid of cartoon ideas as well as the Marvel comic series. The only direct references to the original cartoon are elements from the movie, such as Galvatron destroying Starscream and the third season concept of "Starscream's Ghost" which, in Beast Wars, dressed it up as an "immortal spark."

Beast Wars cherry picked which elements it wished to include and essentially made its own story. As such, while Beast Wars requires this hybrid Generation One for its backstory, that G1 does not officially exist in cartoon or comic form. However, one thing which is consistent between the two is the planet Cybertron as well as the Autobots and Decepticons finding themselves on Earth. So, no, Cybertron is not a future Earth.

While it is technically possible that Waspinator traveled from Earth to Cybertron under his own power, considering Beast Wars took place in the distant past whereas Beast Machines was effectively the "present day" era, it just doesn't make a lick of sense and the whole scenario is just because the writers were obsessed with keeping account of all of the active characters.

As I mentioned the Transformers Marvel comic series was a major influence upon Beast Wars, the planet Cybertron was also the form of the "godlike" character of Primus, who is referenced MANY times by the characters while in the original cartoon it is revealed that the Quintessons had constructed Cybertron. There are people who will point to episodes which depict a rocky terrain within Cybertron as undeniable proof that Cybertron was once "organic" but that is factually and logically incorrect. At most, it proves that Cybertron was a "natural" planetary body as rocks are minerals and not organic. The concept of an "organic core" is also scientifically ludicrous as the core of Earth is predominantly nickel and iron, neither of which are "organic."