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Are Britts really embarrassed of this film?


I was suprised to read some stiff's thread on here saying how horrible they thought this movie was. To be perfectly honest, I was very suprised and entertained at the direction this movie went. The subplots were great. Everything was broken up into little skits. The spliff politics and rave reporter sequences were especially genious. The character development and introduction was great. The music was excellent. I dunno. I just don't see how someone couldn't "get" this movie. I suppose the drug dialog could be hard for British to understand or relate to since they live on a strict island where most contraband is relatively hard to get your hands onto. But all and all, it was pretty dead on. If I had to compare it to anything I suppose Trainspotting wouldn't be far from the mark. But this movie was more, informative, easygoing, funny. While trainspotting held to the cliche "drugs are bad and here is what will happen to you if you do them" sort of deal. Of course both plots are uniquely and entirely different but I still felt like I was drawn to the same sort of atmosphere, only less depressed and rooting for more than one character this time. The soundtrack on this movie was excellent as well... All in all I'd rate this at least a 7 or 8.

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I'm a Brit and I have to say I was quite embarrased by it. Reason? It gives the impression that we Brits are morons. I hated the characters - they were so freaking chavvy. But I can't beleieve you compared this to Trainspotting!

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lol you think THEY were chavvy? man i'd love to see you if you met proper chavs, i thought they were all great and i wouldn't be embarrassed just cuz of a movie

I'm gonna call 911... what's the number?

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You honestly think they're Chavs, Christ Moff's home is about as middle class as you can get, do you even know what a chav is or do you just associate anyone who takes drugs to be a chav because if you do, I gotta tell ya, your surrounded by chavs.

Look, this film isn't embarrassing to Brits, its part of a culture, a drug culture and its just looking into the pleasurable aspect of taking certain drugs centered around a vague story. As a film its not the best in the world, there's not much structure to it and it is a little too stylized but overall pretty enjoyable to watch.

If you want to see a film with chavs, watch football factory, which is a film I don't like, made by the same guys they try to go for a realistic edge, but personally I think that its a little bit too self- glorified, over stylized and the story and structure is in tatters, better then Green Streets though, at least those guys are believably hard rather than the pussy looking Elijah wood who were supposed to believe can throw a punch, good in Lord of the Rings, *beep* in FF.

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"I suppose the drug dialog could be hard for British to understand or relate to since they live on a strict island where most contraband is relatively hard to get your hands onto. "

I'm sorry but where are you getting this information from? Drugs are a piece of pi$$ to get hold of in the UK and Ireland. I'm from Northern Ireland and I would find it quite easy to buy drugs anywhere on these two islands. All you have to do is ask.


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I live in England and drugs are as easy and cheap to get hold of as sweets.

I love Human Traffic becuse it doesn't preach to you and say drugs are wrong. Drugs aren't wrong, they're a personal choice. I spent a large portion of my late teens and early 20's taking E and had a whale of a time. That doesn't mean they're good for everyone. This is the most accurate depiction of the club-drug scene at the end of the 90's. Yeah, the film looked a bit rough around the edges but that adds to the charm.

Trainspotting is great but I think it's an unfair comparrisson to make.

Anyway, Human Traffic rocks and has a great soundtrack and cracks me up every time I see it.



You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make her think

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by malismad

"I suppose the drug dialog could be hard for British to understand or relate to since they live on a strict island where most contraband is relatively hard to get your hands onto. "

I'm sorry but where are you getting this information from? Drugs are a piece of pi$$ to get hold of in the UK and Ireland. I'm from Northern Ireland and I would find it quite easy to buy drugs anywhere on these two islands. All you have to do is ask.


The IRA et al let drug dealers roam free? lol

If impersonating a Police Officer is an offence, shouldn't actors be imprisoned?

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Eh, yeah. Lot of money in drugs.

My wife was like all women. Strange...and evil!

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Elija Wood was SUPPOSED to be bad in Green Street Hooligans, he had never been in a real fight. The first fight towards the begining they even made fun of him for afterwards. Personally I like GSH over Football Factory, mostly because the fight scenes seemed less cowardly. Much more man on man punching, much less three people kicking one person on the ground. Sure it's more affective (effective?) to beat the ever loving sh!t of someone, but it's far more cowardly.

Important note: My liking of GSH over FF has nothing, repeat NOTHING to do with my borderline almost to the point of stalking obsession with Charlie Hunnam. I will kill anyone he tells me to with the claw end of a hammer, but I won't lie about movies!

~I can hear his beard!!~

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it doesnt make out that britons are chavvy! its shows a part of the population and how they spend their time. dont forget that it also shows how other people react to their lifestyles like moff's dad and the reporters.

The lil hand says its time to rock and roll!

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"I suppose the drug dialog could be hard for British to understand or relate to since they live on a strict island where most contraband is relatively hard to get your hands onto."

What?!?!

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"While trainspotting held to the cliche "drugs are bad and here is what will happen to you if you do them" sort of deal"

Heroin :\ I'd say thats quite a bad drug to get involved in...

And yeah, you can get ahold of anything here. I know at least 4 dealers in a one mile radius of my house

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dear icheckthisemaileveryday,

I am but a humble Englishmen and was wondering what this word 'contraband' is? You are right to say we are on an isolated island, and mother doesn't always allow us to enquire on such vocabulary. I myself do not really know what 'drugs' are either. But hopefully in the desolate winter months when the next ship comes in delivering the annual postal delivery i am waiting on a parcel delivering something called 'columbia's finest'. Do you know what this is?
I thought human traffic was an unfit film for my christian existence: p-p-p-please help me to understand it guv'nor.



Your's in awe,
Ignorant Brit

[haha. i'd like to see your eyes crust over from widening in horror if you were to walk down camden road or brixton or any suburban green. Thanks for your sympathetic explination of why I might not enjoy this incredible movie.]

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"Annual postal delivery" LOL

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contraband is NOT hard to get your hands on here, trust me ;)

and ja it is a lot like trainspotting, cant beat it but comes close. if you liked this i recommend fear and loathing in las vegas - beats the crap outta human traffic. tbh i dont really like how this movie makes it look like all pillheads are like the people in the movie :/

me + mates pill up every couple of weeks or so and blaze at the same time, no clubbing... we generally goes to the beach or a nice field or something - just as fun if not moreso.

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"I suppose the drug dialog could be hard for British to understand or relate to since they live on a strict island where most contraband is relatively hard to get your hands onto"

Haha. I can tell you've never been here. If you know the right people, drugs are relatively easy to come by.

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I suppose that's just the stereotype, and what I've heard from people on vacation from England. But still, why are these comments so off-based? Were you really that offended on a misinterpretation of how readily available drugs are or arent, that somewhere midway through this thread, you forgot to say if you did or did not care for this movie all together?

Please be mature when you respond to threads. No one goes out of their way to offend anyone, if they do, they're a troll not worth responding to anyways.

Sincerely, "Ignorant American"

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Didn't mean for it to sound that way, or maybe I did, but if I did, then I was probably just a bit annoyed about something else at the time and I apologise.

I guess we just get fed up with the various assumptions that are made about us by people from different countries.

The one thing you guys are right about is that we are living in a bit of a nanny-state at the moment. It is kind of worrying because the government seems to think that it is better able to make our decisions for us than we are. But the one thing they can't seem to be able to control is drugs. They are really trying, but they can't. lol.

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To be honest yeah I found it a bit painful to watch. Kinda reminds me of all the lame retards you come across in the club scene in Britain. Bad house music, bad clubs, idiots taking unhealthy amounts of MDMA (which more often then not contains just enough Ketamine and Speed to turn you into a spaz with the inabilty to 1. dance with any style 2. sleep for the next 24 hours.) and staying up until tues listening to Bill Hicks and talking absolute meaningless rubbish for hours on end.
For me Human Traffic made me wince extra hard because I'm from Cardiff where Human Traffic was shot so I recognise the streets, clubs and even some of the extras.

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I like the music and i quite liked the film, especially Danny Dyer. I myself aren't into the whole clubbing, drugs etc but i know all about it. Drugs are easy to get a hold of in Britain, i wud know since i live there! U can go down to a club and get offered them so...

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"To be honest yeah I found it a bit painful to watch. Kinda reminds me of all the lame retards you come across in the club scene in Britain. Bad house music, bad clubs, idiots taking unhealthy amounts of MDMA (which more often then not contains just enough Ketamine and Speed to turn you into a spaz with the inabilty to 1. dance with any style 2. sleep for the next 24 hours.) and staying up until tues listening to Bill Hicks and talking absolute meaningless rubbish for hours on end.
For me Human Traffic made me wince extra hard because I'm from Cardiff where Human Traffic was shot so I recognise the streets, clubs and even some of the extras."

Hahaha! Have we met? I was a Hicks-spouting gurner in the early-90s, but piss off - I _can_ dance with a certain degree of elan! :P

I'm not from Cardiff but did pop across from Wessex for the filming - & I did get in the flick.

All the best. =]

Looks like I picked the wrong day to quit shootin' smack...

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im only 20 so i missed out on all this, im not a particularly big fan of the music im a bit of a metal head. but i enjoyed this film and how people can be embarrased by a film is beyond me. y some people get hung up on realism in movies baffles me.

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I don't know why any brits would be embarrassed, it's a great film. I'm 42 and was there at the birth of Acid house, Rave and Madchester, and this film strikes a chord for me. One scene (when the club changes to the Rave club it used to be) had the hairs and the back of my neck standing up. I went to see it at the cinema when it first came out, and got it on DVD.

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I loved this film, and I think it captured a part of British youth culture extremely well. I am now a sensible parent and those days are far behind me, but when this film came out, i appreciated it immensely, for not preaching or talking down to people. For showing ordinary people using certain drugs recreationally, and as the Bill Hicks part said, they didnt steal, they didnt rip eachother off, they didnt lose a job becuase of drug use, they merely kept it till the weekend. And worked and met up with their responsibilities during the week. They cared for and respected eachother. They also pointed out some of the drawbacks in a responsible manner, and the mantra "when the comedown out weighs the high then its time to stop" was extremely true. And we did.

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"Were you really that offended on a misinterpretation of how readily available drugs are or arent, that somewhere midway through this thread, you forgot to say if you did or did not care for this movie all together?"

I think it was because when you first said it you came off as pretty patronising.

But I'm not embarrassed by this film. It's fun, has a great soundtrack, and is a very accurate depiction of club culture. I actually enjoyed it more than Trainspotting or other films about drug culture because the director didn't feel he had to tag on the "drugs are bad, they ruin your life" thing. Also, a lot of the reviewers complain because it doesn't have a plot. Well ... what weekend does have a plot? I think a plot would have made it less accessible to the audience.

It ain't perfect but it's worth a watch.

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The whole point of the weekend is not to have a plot its those hours when you escape your *beep* low paid job and do what you want to do, when you want to do it, and how you want to do it.
HT dicpicts the feeling of freedom you get from this escape very well, and i think any young person whose ever been in the same situation can relate to it straight away

"Its 1973, Almost dinner time. I'm havin oops!"

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I live in wales and any , ANY drugs are simple o get hold of , no problem .
Cheap easy and available . Whoever told u they r hard 2 get hold of is talkin sh*t . Drugs are as easy 2 get hold of here in wales as a pack of fags or a few cans !

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I don't really understand the comparisons that keep being made between this and trainspotting. Trainspotting was a book where the storyline centred around the downfall of a man and his friends through drug addiction. The drug isnt even the same i mean heroin is a pretty destructive drug. Human traffic is about a group of normal people going out to a club on the weekend and taking some e. Totally different theme and sentiment.

i'm not embarassed, its not a masterpiece but its entertainment isnt it?

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Dear icheckthisemaileveryday RE: liamtoh_270

I was riding my pig into market the other day to sell these 3 beans a giant had given me when suddenly, a thought struck my like a moist serf slapping the water as he paddles to France.
How is it that I've managed to get so high these past 8 years living on such a secluded island?
It must be due to the trench foot medication I was prescribed in my mid teens due to working in the peat bogs of thy landowner the Rt Hon ArchbishDuke Admiral Hugo R Spunkfelcher Esq and NOT due to good ol ganja.
AK47?
Blueberry?
Orange Bud?
I doubt these things would mean anything to you unless I use the word 'chronic'...a poor mans default smoke.
I feel for you and your trailer down there in hicksville married to your sister...Our lands must seem like a galaxy far far away.

No where did I put my roach!?

'I don't blame anyone for the loss of my legs. Some Chinaman took them from me in Korea...'

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@Icheckmymaileveryday


A few points, applying to your comments and your judgements on the film.

Yes, we are an Island, we're also on direct trading routes from Afghanistan and Pakistan and only an hour or so from Amsterdam. Eastern Europe is also producing a large percentage of stimulants arriving into the uk (amphetamines, MDMA etc)

Lets compare this to the USA which is also, for all intents and purposes, an island, since it has to ship almost all of its heroin, cocaine and hashish from overseas (pakistan, afghanistan, columbia, peru etc), and a little thing that happened on 9/11 which made getting anything into that country about 100% harder, with security up the ass.
I've visited a couple of times, and everything except the weed *beep* sucked. New York has bad coke, everyone in LA just seems to have prescription drugs, even the heroin sucks unless you're buying large amounts, which you have to just to get something that hasn't been stepped on a few hundred times.

Anyway, this film is an extremely accurate description of modern day life in Britain, especially during the time it was set (people forget it came out in 99', so it would have been around the time of Ibiza getting big, the whole Madchester scene, *beep* Happy Mondays etc), and MDMA in particular was *beep* huge back then, it still is now, but nowhere near to the same extent

AND it's not a comment about the British people, or drugs, or chavs, it's simply showing the fatalistic conclusion that we, as a people, have met after having considered where our true place in the system is.

Anyhow, as you mention the "dialog(ue) could be hard for British to understand or relate to.."

Enjoy:

"American version

The version of the film released in the United States was heavily edited to remove certain British cultural references and terminology that it was presumably felt Stateside audiences would be unable to identify with or understand. These are mostly in the form of re-dubbed dialogue, such as Jip saying that he and Lulu "recently became dropping partners" being changed to "clubbing partners"; Nina's speech to the journalists in which she says she is looking forward to getting into some "hardcore Richard & Judy" becoming "hardcore Jerry Springer"; and Jip's allusion to Only Fools and Horses with "he who dares, Rodders," being rendered as "he who dares wins".

Other material was simply cut, including Lulu dumping her boyfriend; most of Koop's conversation with his father in the psychiatric hospital; and the 1991 "Summer of Love" flashback sequence - complete with glow sticks, dummies, whistles, dust masks, etc - possibly because America's "old school rave" period happened at a later date. As a result of various cuts, the US version runs to 84m 14s, compared to the original 99m 21s, losing just over 15 minutes of footage, in addition to the numerous re-dubs."

Oh and, last thing, Trainspotting was not so far from the mark? Because it shows drugs as being basically, mindless and self-destructive?.. Well let me tell you.

People do drugs for a reason, and it's not because they're all stupid, or have nothing better to do, or they're depressed. It's because the mind can be opened in a thousand different ways, and people are naturally curious creatures.

..and it's harder to get drugs in Scotland than it is down south, and if you knew any basic georgraphy (which you obviously don't), Bristol is a seaside town, and drugs are typically easier to come by in seaside towns than further inland due to the proximity of our Island to so many drug-producing European countries.

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