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A *VERY* bad ending to an otherwise good movie


"WHAT on EARTH?" I was asking myself dumbfounded as the credits rolled up...

Surely, there must be a "part two" to this somewhere as I was fumbling for the DVD case. There isn't one.

Hang on a minute... This teacher, a wonderful teacher, was kind, benevolent, and a true mentor to this kid for 99.9% of the movie and then in one second of madness... What were the filmmakers thinking? Sorry guys, a kid so attached would just not do that!

Also, the wonderful love match between the older brother and the Chinese girl never got resolved.

It's such a shame because most of the movie is very beautiful and well done in my opinion, save for the madness at the end and a few other places where the script went off the rails a bit.

Apollo

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You didn't get it at all!!!! Actually, that was one of the best parts of the movie.
You are the kind of person that loves happy endings just because. Too much Hollywood my friend!
Can you remember what the final words of the kid were? What were his feelings about school before this teacher appeared in his life? (I could tell you directly, but you need to figure it out for yourself) You should watch the movie again and try to determine what it means.
The final was way more meaningfull that what you saw, way more.

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What you mean the "part two" where the teacher breaks free with an ak-47 and some neat kung-fu moves?

What even attracted you to a movie such as this?

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What the first post describes as a "bad ending" is exactly what happened in the spanish civil war. It's just what an inner war means in a country, it's cities and towns... people accusing their neighbours, brothers turning their backs on their brothers just to save their backs, and all this is still alive in the spanish colective memory.
In the beautiful speech of the teacher when he gets honoured at his retirement, he says something like: "if only we could have one generation raised in freedom..." The civil war and the dictatorship afterwards killed that: the freedom of all those children and their families. If they had stood up for any of the prisioners that were being taken away, they would have been killed or imprisioned too. That's the reason of their reaction, and that's why the mother pushes them to shout "rojo, ateo": she has to protect her own family, her husband being a republican himself. But the boy will not only shout those words of shame. He has learned important lessons of life and love with his teacher, and he has learned mysterious words of science and nature that he shouts to his teacher as he is going away forever.
I guess there are certain details that can get lost in the translation, and maybe that made you feel that the end wasn't logical, but, believe me, this movie ends as the second republic ended in Spain, with pain, grief and shame. The only hope remained in those children that learned better things to be the future adults that fought with their ideals and words to get back their freedom.

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All right, Big spoiler in here:





It's also important to realise that the kid shouts "rojo, ateo" but also "espiritrompa". That was the word he learned from his teacher, the butterfly's tongue. In Spanish "lengua" means both "tongue" and "language". So, at first the movie title has no sense at all. Why to put that title to a Spanish civil war film if they talk about butterfly no more than 5 minutes? Well, the boy shouts that in order to making his teacher know that despite of being obligued to blame him, the kid doesn't want his teacher to think he talks seriously, he's just pretending, he won't forget what he learned. So he shouts "espiritrompa", which nobody in the village knows, only he and his teacher: the butterfly's tongue <-----> the butterfly's language <-------> the teacher and pupil secret language <--------> la lengua de las mariposas.

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I agree... Although quite saddening, it's a very powerful ending.

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That's one way to look at it...however after I first watched this movie, my initial thought was the Moncho was telling his teacher he didn't really care. I mean, it could be interpreted as the kid throwing the words his teacher taught him right back at him. The way you look at it makes the ending seem, in a weird way, happier- Moncho still caring for his teacher. My initial reaction is more brutal, Moncho easily forgetting everything he was taught in order to protect himself...kind of like his innocence was destroyed

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I really like your interpretation here. My own is slightly different but along somewhat similar lines.

What I saw was a very young child goaded into hurling rocks and epithets at his mentor, and in the process of shouting, "Ateo!" and "Rojo!" he includes some other interesting terms he's recently learned, that in his mind have as little meaning to the proceedings as the previous two words. "Proboscis!" has absolutely no connection to a cartload of men being hauled away in shackles, any more than "ateo" and "rojo" have meaning to the boy seeing it happen. I could only hope Don Gregorio realized that for Moncho the words were all equally pointless at that moment. If it was meaningless to call the teacher a proboscis, it was also meaningless to call him a communist or an atheist.

"Ateo" and "rojo" must have seemed mysterious terms. Moncho had been given conficting answers about atheism; he understood the color red but not the significance of Reds.

Likewise, he knew his teacher and Roque's father were good men but here they were being punished, and he knew his own parents as good people who were suddenly lying and demanding that harm should come to their friends. As filmed, the moment feels almost surreal and yet its harshness and brutality are all too graphic.

What I deduced about the secret "language of butterflies" is that it was never revealed. If I remember correctly, Moncho and his teacher were always interrupted before Moncho could be shown the curling tongue of the butterfly...just as their relationship was interrupted before its proper conclusion...just as the Spanish Republic was interrupted before its fruition. (Forgive me if I'm wrong about them never actually sharing a look at the butterfly under the microscope--my viewing, too, was interrupted and I missed it if it did happen).

One thing that struck me forcibly, and helps to explain the filmmakers' attention to supposedly "extraneous" details that one viewer complained about (the half sister, the dog, la chinita, etc) was that as I watched these lives interacting, these emotions intertwining, this beautiful countryside...I kept seeing superimposed over it all the agony and terror of Picasso's "Guernica."

I wouldn't have been so mindful of what was coming if I weren't being shown what was at stake, namely the lives, the connections, the individual *stories* of all these people and their potential, heading for a sadly truncated future. That Andres' and Nena's and Otis' and Carmina's stories were unresolved illustrates how the Spanish nation was derailed and unfulfilled by the Revolution.

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The last couple of minutes are up on youtube. If you can look at Moncho's face right before and right after yelling/throwing the stones and tell me he's not heartbroken I'll give you a gold star.


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I think the movie is totally overrated. Life is Beautiful is a touching movie, but this? Absolutely not. I seriously didn't understand the whole point of the older brother and the Chinese girl; it's like, they just added random acts to just to lead up to the ending; the story of the step sister, the guy and the dog, and a lot of other things weren't really necessary to the story. Most of all, supposably the climax?--it was soo predictable seeing the teacher ending up in that position. I really could care less about that kid. Out of all the characters in the movie, I think I would've been more interested in the teacher, or the older brother and the Chinese girl--but nothing happened. At most, this is nothing but an average movie.

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Remember the when the music teacher is showing Andres how to play; he is telling him to treat the sax like a woman and Andres immidiately thinks of the Chinese girl in Moncho's book and begins to play better. When he finally sees a real Chinese girl watching him at the festival he plays his heart out and sounds absolutely wonderful. The point of the Chinese girl was to show that Andres too learned something in the course of the movie.

The girl and the dog were meant to show loss of innocence of Moncho and the fact that the girl is his half-sister makes her presence more important; especially after her mother dies and Moncho attends the funeral. The funeral brings Don Greggorio and Moncho to talk about religion, a major factor in Spanish culture and the civil war.

If you only follow the main plot bit by bit then you will never appreciate how finely woven the the many subplots. Sure many scenes seem unneccesary in a tale about the Spanish Civil War; however, if all we saw were atrocities and bombing we would have become numb to the violence and the tragedy would have been less real.

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A very good ending. If you just watch US films, it won't seem that way.




We expect our movies to all finish with a candy coating rather than the reality of life.



The ending is the Whole point of the movie. It is the danger of pragmatism. It is what got Jesus killed by an angry mob a week after they had hailed him as their king. Pragmatism over doing what is right. I think this is one of the greatest movies ever made in any language. I am fluent in Spanish so I was able to see it in its original language, and I bought the DVD and sometimes when I need both a lift and a reminder, I watch it. It is a ten in my book with two of the best acting jobs ever, one by the aged Fernando Fernan Gonzalez and the other by his child counterpart.

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Hi Apollo :
Unfortunately that was the ending of many people´s lives when the spanish civil war arrived. I know it´s a sad end to the movie but it´s realistic . The story was repeated several times . The child never betrayed the teacher in the movie , even when he´s shouting you know that he have a deep affection for the teacher .The voice of the child say it all , in his word is the insult but in his voice is the love.It´s a protest against war , if you want to see it that way.

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There are many things to say about this film, but in relation to the ending...

For me, one maybe less obvious thing illustrated by the film is the contradiction at the heart of being a 'good, kind, teacher'. For all his speeches about freedom, his love of children, his kind nature, and his compassionate teaching methods, Don Gregorio, being a teacher, remains an AUTHORITY FIGURE. Before teaching any kind of content, he is teaching the kids respect for authority. Whether he does it through the cane or through standing quietly by the window, this is what he is teaching. It is a lesson Muncho learnt only too well, as painfully illustrated by the final scene, where after only a few moment's hesitation he willingly submits to the authority of his parents, and ultimately the fascists, against his own better judgement. Ultimately, this distrust of ourselves, and trust of authority figures (especially in times of chaos - where we need to rely on ourselves more than ever), is the underlying psychological disease of humanity which brought fascism to power in the past and will do so again. (Read Reich's "mass psychology of fascism" for a better explanation of this thesis).

Teachers (of all polticial persuasions and temperaments) in compulsory schools do not help to challenge this disease.

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It may be that many teachers don't challenge the "disease" of conformity and obedience enough, but try teaching a class full of rowdy kids that won't listen to you and you'll know why there's a fine line between teaching the principles of freedom of thought and necessary social compliance.

I thought the teacher here was exactly the challenge to the disease you speak of -he resists the authority of the rich man whose son is slow in math -or too lazy to learn; he resists the supreme authority of the church by rejecting dogma "in secret" as he had to do. He will pay with his life for these resistances. A mixed message to the boy if ever there was one. Life is not black and white, as the authorities would have us believe (eg. they're good, everyone else is bad).

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It's the difference between respecting authority, by choice, and obeying authority perforce. A dog's obeyed in office. The boy does what he's told in throwing the stones and insults, though he may sense the difference.

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the ending is horrible in terms of the sadness. that and the dog getting speared just about killed me. but it is good if you look past that.

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Learn something about spanish civil war and maybe you start to understand the pain of a war between brothers and the lies that you have to tell and the ending of this film

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