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Don't Waste Your Time.


This movie is better than the Olsen twin's latest effort, I'll give it that.

Why would anyone want to watch (direct, act in, write, or even be the caterer on the set of...) a movie that follows a character that is, quite possibly, the dumbest person I've seen on film. The story - or lack thereof - is poorly written and just sort of wanders from one scene to the next, with no real meaningful sequence. The narrator is a burnout so, SUPRISE!, the story is told nonsequentially with him backtracking to fill in holes and blah blah blah. I'm getting so sick of the Post-Pulp Fiction Rip-offathon. Tarantino does it well, Fernando Meirelles did it well in City of God, but this is just another quasi-hip movie that has no plot and follows down-and-burntout fools that have no real insight on anything (even drug use) with a tired message. So there's another person out there that thinks drug addiction takes a devastating toll on an individual's life. What an effing suprise. He didn't even get his point across that well. I wanted to do drugs way worse after watching this movie than I did after watching Requiem for a Dream, Trainspotting, or Basketball Diaries. Mainly because I was bored out of my mind. This movie uses cheap tricks to make you think you're feeling something. I didn't care much for the characters, but of course you feel horrible when you watch an abortion scene or a scene in an old-folks home full of deformed, disabled, and just plain sad elderly people.

Sorry dudes, this movie sucks. Anyone who says otherwise is probably one of these people that tells you about a drug reference in a movie before they tell you anything else. Most Potheads and drug-users (and I use these terms with affection because I love potheads) like any movie with any sort of drug reference- and if all you're looking for is drugs on screen than I guess you should watch this movie.

Sum it up: Watch Requiem instead. Very similar MO's but Requiem was much more impressive.
Ok? done.

PS- It would be unfair of me not to mention how funny Jack Black is in this movie. The movie sucks, but he sure is funny in it.

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I certainly respect your opinion my friend, but I have to disagree. This movie is not "post-Tarantino". It was based on a book by Denis Johnson written long before anybody had heard of Quentin Tarantino. Besides, Tarantino movies are derived entirely from other movies while this movie was obviously based heavily on real life. I also wouldn't necessarily call it a drug movie (it's more just an early 70's movie). It does have drug scenes in it, but it's not a preachy, two-hour anti-drug commercial like "Basketball Diaries" (although it does resemble the original Jim Carroll book). On the other hand, it doesn't irresponsibly glamorize drug use like "Trainspotting" tends to. And it's a lot less melodramatic than "Requiem for a Dream" (although that's a good movie too). The truth is drug use is sometimes tragic such as when young people OD, but often it is just repetitive and boring. Most people don't OD or become prostitutes or criminals, drug use just slowly eats up their lives.

There's also something kind of sweet and hopeful in this movie that goes beyond hip, ironic gangsters or screaming, agonized drug addicts. I quit using drugs over ten years ago (and I was well beyond being just a loveable pothead at that point) and I still enjoy watching this movie because it is just very real and honest.

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Hey I have to say I totally agree with you on all your points.
It's not so much a drugs film than a road movie.
Requiem wasnt really a drugs movie either, it was about addiction, Jesus' Son wasnt as such, more about redemption I feel than Requiem, which set out to seemingly punish its characters ("everyone who touches drugs will die horribly" kind of thing).

I know where you're coming from regarding watching this film with a history of drug use behind you. It was hard not to think of the good times I've had, but also to remember that what's buried in the past is there for a good reason. I've had such a struggle to put the drugs and my youth/teens away, even though I now have a MA in cinema I still find it so hard to resist doing, then overdoing the pot, pills and pints.

I really enjoyed the film, it was mature and it handled the subject matter well. I dont think for a second there's any Tarantino rip-offs in here, and even if there were, Tarantino is the biggest cocking magpie out there, I wouldnt pay it any mind.

Great music, top notch acting, very funny, all done on a low budget. Absolutely cracking.

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I agree with you in almost all of your observations except one. Please explain to me what about Trainspotting "glamorizes" drug use? Is it the baby who dies because it's mother and everyone else in the house is too *beep* up to remember that she needs to be fed, changed etc? Or is it poor Tommy, who was the only one of the group who had a chance at a decent chance at a normal life until he got hooked. Or maybe it's Spud sh*tting himself in a semi-comatose state rather than have sex with his girlfriend, or that oh-so-cute portrayal of Rents' withdrawal? Do tell...

In my opinion Trainspotting is a shockingly accurate portrayal of the drug scene in Edinburgh (I'm from there), and probably therefore translates to most large cities with drug problems. The fact that the high is described as better than sex or that there is humour in there is not glamorization, it's reality. Why do you think people do drugs in the first place (rhetorical question since you reference your previous drug use)? Because they make you feel good, at first. What I like about Trainspotting, Requiem and actually also Jesus' Son is that they warn how easy it is to fall into a habit and what it does to your humanity, each of the three telling their story in different ways.

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feltchbm... someone likes to hear themselves blab on forever...

"Yesterday, I saw you kissing tiny flowers..." - Led Zeppelin.

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"I wanted to do drugs way worse after watching this movie than I did after watching Requiem for a Dream, Trainspotting, or Basketball Diaries."

i don't think it was created as an moral argument against drugs. i loved that instead of a plain, linear narrative, it's a set of character studies that tell you so much about these people. there happen to be some drugs in it. it's not a long string of shooting-up scenes. it's the kind of movie that isn't ruined by you knowing what happens in the end, because the enjoyment comes from watching these people living and bouncing off each other, not from finding out who gets off drugs and who dies.

"The narrator is a burnout so, SUPRISE!, the story is told nonsequentially with him backtracking to fill in holes and blah blah blah. I'm getting so sick of the Post-Pulp Fiction Rip-offathon."

i loved that. forget tarantino [much as i love him]. it's not about clever plot twists or deceiving the viewer. i thought the narration was very human. so many times i've listened to people trying to tell a story about something real that happened to them - not a neat little narrative with a start, middle and end - that's not often how life works - people hit tangents & get carried away with a point they're on and forget to explain how that point came about.

this movie hit that PERFECTLY. this guy's no writer, fleshing out a narrative neatly - he's a kinda idiot savant, amiable but not the sharpest tool in the box - and the narration is written to let him tell his story the way he knows how. it's real, and it's achingly funny because of that.

and shock horror, a junkie who doesn't go on dramatic crime sprees to fund his addiction - who'da thunk it? i've met people like this. lots of us have. this guy is real. i don't want to watch a movie about some perfect, boring non-character - nor about someone deeply villainous who by the grace of god or their own self-sufficiency, sees the error of their ways, and becomes a sanctimonious model citizen - it's been done, and life very rarely works like that! unless i'm looking for pure escapism, i watch movies to see people that could be real, stories that really could have happened.

you're right, jack black is amazing. so is dennis leary. and because the film doesn't just depend on a straightforward storyline, you can pick up at a scene here or there, like their scenes, and just watch that if you feel like it, and enjoy it enormously. there are so few films with the ability to let you do that.

i bought this the other day, just on a whim, and have watched it 3 times since then. i'm amazed by it, and have frantically recommended it to everyone i know.

xxx

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I'm really very surprised that you disliked this film so much. All of the other movies that you named (Trainspotting, Requiem for a Dream, Basketball Diaries) were very good but also incredibly unfunny and depressing. I thought that Jesus' Son worked terrificly as an ultra-dark comedy.


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Ahh this was a great movie. Beautiful and believeable. When FH sits on a group of baby rabbits you didnt know what to feel. It had the effect of a cry with laughs popping out of it. This is often how I felt throughout the movie. The ending had a warm and simple appoach to it with FH 'seeing each task to its end'.

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i agree. i watched this last night with a few friends and i enjoyed it. i thought the character was portrayed very well, it made me actually want to meet him and talk to him. he was just interesting. i thought the comic relief provided by jack black was awesome too. personally, i liked requim for a dream, but *beep* that movies depressing and difficult for me to watch. jesus' son was a new take on a drug movie. i loved it.

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Backtrack...Trainspotting, not funny? I know that's not really your point, but Trainspotting is hilarious.

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The point is that people are addicted to drugs.
We do get old.
People are shuffled out of your sight.
This movie is poignant, sad, and hilarious.
Don't be afraid to think how others might live.
I loved this movie.

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"Don't be afraid to think how others might live"

most important quote from this thread.

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You know that Quentin Tarantino didn't invent non-linear narratives, don't you?

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i don't know...this is quite a bit different than most "drug movies", at least the ones that have been cited here. the film plays like am radio or something, and the pace at which it moves is perfect.

to place this alongside quentin tarantino films is pretty messed up. to even think of that while your watching it is pretty messed up.

non-linear has been around forevvvver. tarantino just popularized with guns.

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Well. Since I've rarely seen a film where the (seemingly intelligent, well-informed) audience is so divided, I think I'll have to pick it up right away and make a decision for myself.
Anyone care to recommend anything else? The library at my school is *extensive* so I can get--or have them order--anything I want. MAs/MFAs can take out up to 5 at a time. Suggestions?

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Ok,

Early Woody Allen (pretty much anything, his 80s stuff isnt that bad either)
Detour
Cool Hand Luke
Undead
Society (very gory)
Naked (Mike Leigh)
Anything with Humphrey Bogart/ Jimmy Cagney/ Eddie G Robinson
Salvador

Cant think of much more because its late and my brain is being stir-fried by the internet.


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People your letting the drug usage blind you. When you live like that the drugs fade away during the day just like eating or using the bathroom. Read between the lines. We'll all float on.

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Compared to the dreck that Hollywood is putting out these days, I found "Jesus' Son" to be engaging and thought-provoking. I suggest, however, if you want to watch Disney, that you stick to Disney with all happy flowers and singing elephants and stay away from the edge of cinema. There is a real side of the world and that includes dirty fingernails and big kids in adults bodies - in fact, it seems that Billy Crudup likes scripts that deal with that aspect (see "Big Fish"). As much as you would like to keep harsh reality at arms' length, however, it's still out there. Who wants to watch movies about characters like this? Lots of folks. The larger theme of this movie is compassion, and no matter how much one sugar-coats the world, no amount of revisionist history can hide the fact that Pocahontas wasn't built like Barbie (she was, by today's standards, really ugly) and Aladdin probably didn't have Anglo-Saxon features or a talking monkey. (I find it equally ridiculous and strange that such a Christian-right-leaning studio like Disney adapts a heathen story stolen from the "Arabian Nights".)

I thought JS was great. Warts and all.

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