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Is Hiko the strongest?

posted 16 years ago by annihilator675
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I thought Hiko Seijuro was supposed to be the strongest of all of the characters. So I was wondering how he lost to Kenshin, even after taking off his cloak which restricted his power. He seemed like he had the intention of killing his apprentice, but failed. So who would actually win in a fair fight between these two? I'm confused...

[–] shall01 16 years ago

(Keeping in mind that this was training, not a actual fight....)

Hiko was still stronger, but Kenshin was smaller and faster than him. Being stronger does not always mean that one will win the fight. All of Kenshin opponents (canon and filler) from Shishio onward were all stronger than him, and he still beat them. Also, Kenshin's will to live (and live for others) was stronger than before as well.

(Also, Kenshin used the ultimate technique - Amakakeru Ryuu no Hirameki - while Hiko just used it's runner-up - Kuzu-ryuusen.)

[–] sneakyrose 16 years ago

Hiko just prefer to use the Kuzu-ryuusen, but he knows the ultimate technique. If he didn't know he wouldn't of taught Kenshin of it.

When Hiko learned the ultimate technique he killed his master. Which is why he was prepared to die when teching kenshin. Its the tradition of that sword style.

Kuzu-ryuusen is much more powerful when performed by Hiko because of his large musclar frame. Its said so in the manga, so he don't really need to perform the ultimate technique.

[–] aegsorcisten 16 years ago

To learn Kenshin Amakakeru Ryuu no Hirameki Hiko used Kuzu-ryuusen, he even says that. If Hiko had use Amakakeru Ryuu no Hirameki he would had cleaven Kenshin in half. :)

[–] shall01 16 years ago

Kenshin was smaller and faster than him. Being stronger does not always mean that one will win the fight. All of Kenshin opponents (canon and filler) from Shishio onward were all stronger than him, and he still beat them.

This is true. If you want to see how strong Hiko is then look at the part when he fights that giant (Samurai Superman).

Kenshin's will to live (and live for others) was stronger than before as well.

When Hiko learned the ultimate technique he killed his master. Which is why he was prepared to die when teching kenshin. Its the tradition of that sword style.

Kuzu-ryuusen is much more powerful when performed by Hiko because of his large musclar frame. Its said so in the manga, so he don't really need to perform the ultimate technique.

To learn Kenshin Amakakeru Ryuu no Hirameki Hiko used Kuzu-ryuusen, he even says that. If Hiko had use Amakakeru Ryuu no Hirameki he would had cleaven Kenshin in half. :)

All of these quotes are true too. Because Hiko is so strong (and so big) he never needed to go all out (at least until he fought that giant guy), not even during this training. Kenshin, on the other hand, had to if he was to master the Amakakeru Ryuu no Hirameki. Another tradition of that sword training is that the student had to both master the technique and have that heightened will to live, otherwise he would die. If Kenshin didn’t get it right that instant he was a goner. (And Hiko would have "cleaven Kenshin in half" with the Kuzu-ryuusen too.)

When Kenshin hit Hiko with the ultimate technique, they both thought Hiko was finished. Hiko was even trying calm Kenshin with the idea that this wouldn't violate his vow not to kill, as the training started BEFORE Kenshin made the vow and this was the only way to complete the training/mastering of the sword style. Hiko only survived this due to.

1.) Hiko's very "large muscular frame"…….
2.) Kenshin being way smaller (and less muscular) than Hiko………
3.) The hilt of Kenshin's sword was very, very loose.

[–] OmegaWolf747 16 years ago

The fact that he was hit with the dull edge helped too.

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[–] shall01 16 years ago

That's true....

[–] SonicMozart 15 years ago

Hiko is far far far far far FAR superior than anyone in the series. Kenshin might have mastered the "final" technic (Amakakeru Ryu No Hirameki), but he never truly completed the whole training because he left when he was still a teenager. He never mastered the hiten mitsurugi style. So, the TRUE hiten mitsurugi style died with Hiko.

[–] shall01 15 years ago

But Hiko had already taught Kenshin all of the other technique’s of Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu when he first left. All that was left was the final two moves, but he thought Kenshin wasn't ready mentally for that training.

[–] SonicMozart 15 years ago

I don't think he was done. There's so much more to a fighting style than just "special moves".

[–] shall01 15 years ago

Actually, Hiko taught Kenshin more than just "special moves". To be able pull of the final two moves the swordsman had to master every other move and technique of the Hiten Mitsurugi Ryu. Kenshin was kind of a prodigy at sword fighting as a kid. The only reason he didn't he learn the last two moves when he first left was because of a lack of maturity (in Kenshin's case) and Hiko didn't think his head was in the right mindset at the time (and in a since he was right).