911 reference ?


In the last episode (The one where the two familes are fighting over the gold), Pinnochio makes a reference to New York City as being "Ground Zero" and mentions the destruction of buildings.

Is this a coincidence or what ? This show aired in 1999 - two years before 911 happened.

I'm sure most people know about the Lone Gunmen 911 reference - the episode where a remotely controlled plane heads towards the Twin Towers. Tell me this is also just another coincidence one year before 911 ?







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Far from a coincidence.

My site has many cinematic glimpses of the numbers 9 and 11 used in pre-2001 movies. Dialog referring to the Twin Towers' destruction is also there. Are somem coincidences? Maybe. But the majority seem pointed. This is called predictive programming. It also seems to be a macabre wink and nod among those who orchestrated the events of that day; it is a laugh at the little people like you and I.

The collage is the work of an Australian who was kind enough to send the images and dialog to me.

Some have derided this as a coincidence, stating that you could probably find other number pairings just as abundant. I tell them: Go show me. So far, no answers.


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Wait. So based on that collage, you're saying that "those who orchestrated the events" of 9/11 placed coded messages not only in a book written almost 50 years before, but also in "Rugrats in Paris"? You're saying that the Freemasons/NWO/satanists (you seem to use the terms interchangeably) not only planned the attacks on the World Trade Center, executed them, and then successfully blamed Arab terrorists, but they were already in the planning stages 50 years ago? More than 20 years before the buildings were even built? And that then they decided to tease us about it, through individual frames in kids' movies?

Have you noticed that of the pictures in that collage purporting to be predictive references to 9/11, a full quarter are clocks or timers? I don't know how many movies the Australian watched to gather his/her information but (a) clocks get shown a quite a lot, because it's a simple way to build tension and (b) timers very often count down from 10.

They're coincidental. All of them. It's simple probability. Just math. And you know what? When your theory is that the Illuminati is sending us prophecy in Mel Gibson movies, through means and for reasons beyond our understanding, in order to hasten the takeover of the Earth by Satan? And my theory is "math"? I'm not the one who needs to do the proving.

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The answer is much simpler.

Ground zero is the denomination given during the cold war to ANY impact zone of a nuclear weapon. No conspiracies there. So in fact calling the WTC zone ground zero is an exagerration of the original use of the term

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And if 9.11 had happened on 10.11, you can bet there would be people with too much time on their hands finding all the references to this out of zillions of images, movies, media, paper print and cultural references that span known time.

Utter bunkum.

The fact that you seize upon the word Ground Zero, the word itself having nothing to do at all with what happened 9.11 as more proof shows how far off the beaten track you are.

But that said, the Masons/Nazis/Aliens/Islamists/Satanists love conspiracy nuts like you, because you manage to obscure the real conspiracies, and allow God Knows Who to do God Knows What and get away with it.

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Sorry, I disagree completely. There were numerous references to 911 and the devastation in NYC in that Harsh Realm episode. It may have been a subliminal form of conditioning that was being used to prepare the masses. Sounds far fetched yet numerous other pre-911 feature films have similar flags which can be deciphered.

This is just my opinion. It may be "out there" but I should point out that I don't agree with the general Illuminati/NWO/Freemason/Satanist spoonfeed crap that's peddled ad nauseum across the net - that's just disinformation. What I'm talking about relates more to social conditioning, archetypes and the collective unconscious

For anyone to dismiss coincidences as "bunkum" merely shows how misguided that person is.










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Well, I'd substitute misguided for realist.

If you are suggesting that the writers sat down and discuseed how they should prepare the world for an event two years later, because such an event had suddenly all simultaneously come to them and they felt the need to talk about it, would find that hard to beleive.

If God had come to them all in their dreams and suggested they subconsciously but references in their work to prepare people, then I could believe that a little more.

But I am 99% certain that should you put any of the writers, producers, directors, actors etc under hypnosis and a lie machine, none of th em would have any idea what all these 9/11 foreknowledge conspiracies were all about.

That harsh realm episode has the idea of NYV partly destroyed by an atom bomb.

NYC, because it is one of the most well known US cities, along with maybe Los Angeles and Chicago.

An atom bomb, because that helped explain the devastation that would help sugges the idea of a wartown, apolalyptic alternate universe.

It was called ground zero, because that's what the site of any major, concentrated catastrophe is called.

I can't yet understand what this has to do with 9/11.

All fastasy films and TV shows suggest wild, out there ideas to stay original and different. For disaster scenarios, they have a limited pool of things, terrorism, natural disasters, atom bombs, and a limited set of well known locations, with an even more limited set of landmarks.

If I was writing a story ten years ago about destroying physical symbols of the US, without a doubt, I would have chosen the WTC, or statue of liberty, or the white house, because that's what every US hating psychopath would want to do. If you would want to kill lots of people, you'd pick, unfortunately, the WTC, as it combines the two.

This is all very depressing, has nothing to do with foreknowledge, and everything to do with having a limited about of "bad future" scenarios (WW3, killer robots, aliens, no resources left etc).

I can understand the need, without faith, to find something to pin the sorry state of affairs on.

I would say, though, that there are many very stinky things about 9/11, Pentagon etc, but I don't believe that included reading predictions into every TV show or film that ever had a terrorist or apocolyptic plot in it.

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Many years ago, I read an interesting book that was published around 1987. In this book, the author (well-known, but I can't remember his name) wrote a fictionalised account of Iraq invading Kuwait. The book became a lot more interesting in the second half of 1990. Does this mean the author knew about the invasion three years early? Probably not - he researched the known claims of Iraqi sovereignty over Kuwait, and wrote a 'What If' story.

I also read a story about North Korea launching an invasion of South Korea, with the assistance of a high ranking South Korean army 'sleeper' agent. That hasn't happened yet, but watch this space!

Authors and screenwriters (at least the smart ones) will often do background research to support their fiction. Whatever your position, "The Da Vinci Code" is a good example of this. The underlying story of the Knights Templar provided the bones, and the fiction was the flesh. There are plenty of stories out there (books and movies) that use just enough fact to make us wonder. That (IMHO) is the point of good fiction.

The references to attacking the WTC - it was a target once, so why not again? The reasoning behind terrorists trying to destroy such a significant symbol of the US didn't go away in the ensuing eight years. There had certainly been talk of terrorist using explosives-laden aircraft to take out buildings. The simplicity of using an airliners fuel tanks as the explosives was the only missing piece of the puzzle.

One last point - in the US (and other countries), the emergency telephone number is 911. Seeing this number regularly may provide a subliminal cue to writers when putting numbers into movies. If 9/11 had taken place on the 10th, I doubt the it would be as easy to find references.

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Predicting a massive attack, in the biggest city in the world, even on the 2 largest buildings around, isn't much of a prediction.

Ground Zero IS an old term to describe the touch down point of a nuclear weapon. The media hijacked the term and used it to refer to the events of September 11th, 2001. A shame really. If you really want to talk about predictions, look to 1984, and how the destruction of the english language, destroys the act of thought. Ground Zero used to mean something. Now it can be the pipe that burst flooding your basement.

New York city is the biggest city on the planet. It doesn't have the most people, and it's not even the most expensive place to live (second actually), but come on... It's the city that never sleeps. It's where the world stores its gold. The real capitol city of America. And the center of capitalism in our universe.

A better prediction would be an attack against buttcrack Idaho, population 18. And then, exactly 1 month later, a massive attack, that would've taken years to prepare, against buttcrack Idaho.

Even if the attack was planned by the government, and terrorists were scapegoated, it doesn't seem to be a huge break in the case, that writers of all sorts would have already thought of it in some form. It wasn't such an outlandish idea.

Imagine if the Statue of Liberty was hit. And her head landed square on the beach. Would you point to Planet of the Apes as the predictor? And what of it anyways? Who cares if a psychic can guess my birthday? How is that even productive?

Unless Chris Carter wrote 9/11. But after watching Harsh Realm, I doubt it. He's a one trick pony. X-Files was great for a while. This show stinks. If written, 9/11 was done by a much more talented fellow than he.

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Synchronicity, that's all.

Chris Carter and J Michael Straczynski were also contracted to co-Exec produce a later show called 'The World on Fire' by CBS. The show was cancelled when CBS got cold feet over Carter's involvement in a show that was not his own creation (TWoF was JMS's initial idea) following the cancellation of Harsh Realm (the thought process being that HR failed because Carter was adapting someone else'e original work).

The World on Fire's basic premise was the start ot World War 3, following a terrorist attack on New York's financial district ... and following 9/11 clearly there was no way that show was ever going to see the light of day.

Nothing sinister or conspiratorial in any of this. Just coincidence.

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It's entirely possible that terrorists watch as much, if not more television than all of us (good guys?) put together.

The Carter production team has certainly fascinated enough of us who would like to catch people before they do something wrong (quote from "Deja Vu" by Denzel Washington;) I imagine the sinister minded people among us watch it and get ideas, just as well.

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Is it really that hard to imagine some kind of disaster which leaves New York in ruins? Just because 911 actually happened doesn't mean every disaster movie that occurs in new york prior to 2001 was some kind of conspiracy prophecy about 911.

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The term "ground zero" goes back WAY before 9/11.


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So... what exactly are you insinuating? Chris Carter and crew caused 911? And I thought truthers were nuts.

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