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So who is Cornelius Gould Stuyvesant anyone know?



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when you are a paranoid schizo you usually think that someone or something is after you. to romulus Stuyvesant is the person who is to blame for everything that is wrong in his life and possably the world

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it's simple.. Stuyvesant is society, I'm not too sure if he says the same stuff in the movie anymore, it's been a while since I saw it but just read the book.. he's society as a whole personified due to lack of communication with real people in real surroundings... plus he's crazy. HAH! this movie/book/CD is the best, I own all three (most recently the movie, which I'm about to go watch again, HAH) if you don't have this book, check it out. it's MORE than worth it.

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The “character” of Cornelius Gould Stuyvesant seems to derive its name and some of its characteristics of three historical figures:

Cornélius, the open minded Ape scientist from Planet of the Apes.
Glenn Gould, the Canadian pianist/composer.
Peter Stuyvesant, last governor of New Amsterdam.

These are combined to create the technocratical big brother figure that monitors/rules/orchestrates/controls all of, or at least all artists in, Manhattan through media, machinery and the minds of the mass population.


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Eh, BLOODY HELL you're one smart sonofabitch!!! I never thought of it that way!!

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Or it could be:

Cornelius: The rooster on the cereal box from Kellogs. (or pope cornelius 251 to 253.)

Gould: Gould is a town located in Harmon County, Oklahoma. As of the 2000 census, the town had a total population of 206. (maybe he visited and it drowe him crazy. I mean it IS oklahoma...)

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Stuyvesant Fish (June 24, 1851 - April 10, 1923) was born in New York City, the son of Hamilton Fish, and of his wife Julia Ursin Niemcewicz n饠Kean. He was an executive of the Illinois Central Railroad from 1887 to 1906, and as its president oversaw its period of greatest expansion. In 1906, he was removed from his position by E. H. Harriman, probably because of Fish's cooperation and participation with the state government in investigating the Mutual Life Insurance Company. Stuyvesant Fish also served on the board of directors of the National Park Bank.



"I told him to be fruitfull, and multiply, but not in those words of course".

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From a screenplay writers point of view I could see how these might prompt the name of Cornelius Gould Stuyvesant, however this does not make for an credible explanation as to why Romulus would know or create such a character.
Setting the discussion of whether or not Stuyvesant is a real person, or only exists in Romulus' head, aside. There has to be a reality and a subtext to any characters name. It should sound like a real name and if at all possible there should be a literary, social, political, religious, mythological or historical reference in the name to add an extra dimension to the character and to thus make the allegory that is film more accessible.
No matter where you as a writer get your ideas from, you have to be able to explain them within the context of the film. Your explanation as to origins of the name lacks all context reference to the reality of the film that would make it plausible.
As a law student you should know about presenting your facts in such a way as to sway your public, after all there is no objective truth there is only different ways to look upon the same facts. It is the court of public opinion and majority rule that decide whether something a right or wrong, all you can do is present your arguments to the best of you ability and hope to persuade someone of your opinion. So try again, you might still persuade me; if you are able to provide a well founded explanation ;)

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Some theories categorize that a schizoids personality see and think "reality", but in another dimension.

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Cornelius is reminiscent of Cornelius Vanderbilt, Gould was also a name that is associated with the Robber Barons of the late 19th century and Stuyvesant is an old Knickerbocker name. That is my theory for what it is worth.

The sun shone, having no alternative, on the nothing new. Samuel Beckett

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You know who he is. DON'T ACT LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW!!!

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Those are all old "society" names in New York society. The Vanderbilts (Cornelius), the Goulds, and the Stuyvesants. I assumed the name stood in general for the collective high society members who somehow rejected him or scorned his music.

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