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Worst Witch Was Before Harry Potter


Worst Witch Was Before Harry Potter

Although there are differences in the novels entitled Worst Witch compared to the newer Harry Potter books. The characters are very similar and indeed it is undeniable that they could have been stolen. I love the Harry Potter series personally, and Severus Snape rocks my socks and I wouldn’t want to see Harry Potter gone, but I’m sure that Jill Murphy should sue J.K for plagiarism if she hasn’t already.

Just take a look at this evidence on this website I found: http://www.geocities.com/sayswamp/worst.htm

I can vouch for the facts on Worst Witch here, because I am similar with the series.

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It's hard to find any books that havn't borrowed from others written before them though. Whilst the Worst Witch itself is quite unique, it really only combined a story about girls at a boarding school and a story about witches, both of which were far from original ideas. Another book often mentioned as being ripped off by Harry Potter is Lord of the Rings, something that borrows heavily from ancient mythology. On the other hand, I think J.K Rowling opened herself up to this by taking such an agressive stance against books she felt stole from her stories, aswell as her refusal to acknowledge previous books that inspired her, trying to make out she came up with the whole thing herself, wheras many other writers are more than happy to say who and what inspired them. Maybe she did come up with it entirely herself though. Some HP fans have also let the side down by mindlessly attacking books like the Worst Witch as rip-offs of HP, which has of cource got WW fan's backs up. Overall, I don't think HP is stolen from WW, and I don't think Jill Murphy should sue JKR, but I wish JKR would admit where she got her inspiration from, and would lay off other writers who might be inspired by Harry Potter.

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Is there a purpose that you're posting this on every Harry Potter and Worst Witch thread, or are you delebritly pissing people off and making an ass out of yourself?
I know where you live

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To be fair, jk has created and used her own ideas...and yes she may have been influenced along the way by Jill Murphys the worst witch epic, but 75% thats in jks books are her own ideas with no inflence just her wonderful imagination.

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Oh pleeease as if Rowling's imagination came up with these ideas. All she did was put together others peoples fantasy work into her own. Don't get me wrong she's done it well, and the books are nice but please don't make her out to be the creator of countless ideas that predate her by so many years.





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I've been a fan of both Harry Potter and Worst Witch for a long time (yes, even now that I'm old, lol). I read HP when it came out in 1997 and I already saw similarities then between it and the old Worst Witch movie. I have never had a chance to read the WW books (I don't think they were available here when I was a kid), but I'm sure they are similar to the show.

There are definite similarities and influences, but when you consider JK's age at the time WW books/movie were popular, she would have been grown up and too old to read them likely. If you think about school life, it's really a natural progression to see how it can be translated into a magical world. A lot of the scenarios both Mildred and Harry face are quite ordinary kid/teenage things.

I think she was strongly influenced for sure, but plagiarism? That's pushing it. JKR is VERY against plagiarism of her own work and I think she has the standard for her own writing. I don't know, they are alike, but there are enough differences to enjoy both separately.

Be careful what you read online or in books or essays. It's easy to get influenced one way or another...

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I think anyone who writes fantasy stories like this & Harry Potter were influenced by things they've read from other fantasy writers, but as long as they don't write the same things word for word, I don't see the harm in the stories being similar.

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I think it is horribly unfair to say just because Worst Witch and Harry Potter have schools for magical youngsters they have to be copied... I've read both, and I can say the similarities end at the concept of the school.

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There's a difference between influence, similarities, and outright plagarism. You get to a certain point and if I mention the earth and travel in space, I could be accused of robbing from Asimov or Heinlein.

Just enjoy both series for what they are and let it go.

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Im a Deep harry potter fan, but i have to say when i first heard of HP it was when the movie came out, when i seen it, this movie so did remind me of the worst witch, i actulally thought it was a spen off or something.

But all in all, even if how they dress is similar and school, area whatever...
how the story is played out is so diff, and JKR just did a really good job

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I looked and I do not believe JKR is guilty of anything other than thinking up a damn good story. So what the characters are similar. So what there are other stories about witches in schools. Isn't there a quote about how there are only 8 basic stories in the world? Unless there was a Voldemort in Worst Witch that tried to kill one year old Mildred and killed her parents because of prophecy overheard by a double agent which is the reason why Voldemort keeps trying to kill her as she ages and he broke his soul into 7 pieces... you get the idea.

The underlying story is different, the rest is just details. I do not hold the idea that JK has characters like an old Headmaster, a bullying unliked teacher, and a bullying unliked student as an enemy. How many people went thruough school liking all their teachers and every other student in the school? I personally see more similarities between Dumbledore and Gandolf. Isn't HEADmaster and HEADmistress a British thing? Like a Principal?

As a writer, I can tell you that I do not think it is odd to not know where you get your ideas. Generally, mine come to me in my dreams. But sometimes things just pop into your head. I also believe in the theory of a "muse". A Greek mythological being. That Theory states that the only creativity is the muse who shares it with the world using humans as their vessel.

I also don't think JK is nuts about suing. I think her issue, from what I've read on her site, is people using her characters for profit. Understandable, IMO.

People will believe what they want to believe. I see Worst Witch and Harry Potter as two seperate entities about witches. I am glad they both exist.




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i just recently watched series 2 and 3 on dvd again and there are so many things that are re-used in HP.

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Well I've always thought that Snape and McGonagall were similar to Hardbroom in many ways and Hooch and Drill and Trelawney and... well you get the idea. The Heads even both wear half moon spectacles and seem a little barmy. Both schools are near forests and look like ruins to Muggles, Draco and Ethel have parents on the Board of Governors etc. They have A LOT in common. To deny that is silly, IMO.

However they have enough differences to avoid a lawsuit but JK hardly inspires warm fuzzy feelings of understanding. If there was a suit and I had to side with someone, I'd agree that WW influenced HP significantly. Certainly there is more justification of plagiarism in this instance than some of those other silly suits that have come up. I really think HP has more in common with WW than LOTR though. I think fundamentally the whole marking the baby as his equal thing is all JK's.

That book Wizard of the Sea or whatever sounds very interesting...

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Well now, there I am, always the last to know... according to IMDB she did sue in 2001. I wonder whatever happened. I might google it.

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There are going to be similarities in anything and everything, saying that jk stole her ideas from WW is like saying that she stole the idea of Half blood witches and wizards from Sabrina the teenage witch, as anyone who has seen that knows her mother was a Mortal (no magic) and her dad was a witch (that was the term used, as they didnt use wands the just pointed there finger) and as long as they wernt murdered they lived for centeries. she she was half blood. Sabrina also had her 2 loyal friends and her enemy who was a rich b***h who thought she was better than everyone else, hmmm remeind you of something, althouhj Sabrina was the only one with magical powers. Although in the disney catoon film, she went to a boarding school for witches had a loyal friend there and any enemy who was pure blood, and thought she was better than half blood witches,



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I definitely agree JK was inspired by something but plagiarism is a bit much. She may not know what really inspired her, it could have been a subconscious thing but she didn't invent this whole world single-handedly.

It's one thing to take ideas from other works and make them your own, plagiarism is flat out copying a story and passing it off as original.

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I challenge you to find any novel which is completely original, every book I have read has had similarities to another I think it's inevitable, even if ideas are influenced are borrowed it's how you adapt them to fit into your storyline. Forget about the fact the books and ideas are similar (not stolen -_-) and just enjoy these two great sets of books. Really bugs me when people do this.

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i love harry potter but i cant deny that she ripped off worst witch.

she even ripped off lord of the rings

hagrid -gimli
sirius black - aragorn
harry potter - frodo
ron - samwise gangee
dumbledore - gandalf
elves - veela
dementors - the 9
dobby - golum
horcruxe - the ring
voldemort - sauron
fred/george - pippin and merry or the elronds twin sons who love to prank.

theres tons more in harry potter thats taken right from lotr

i guess its all plaigarism these days, they say that shakespeares wrote it all and everyone else just uses it

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Dobby and Gollum?! Gollum is an evil creature trying to steal the ring for his own love of power, Dobby is a sweet (and kind of annoying) character who constantly tries to help Harry. And Hagrid and Gimli?! Hagrid the Giant and Gimli the dwarf??

Also, the other characters you listed are pretty typical characterss of any story.


sirius black - aragorn The surrogate father/older brother figure
harry potter - frodo The young, innocent but brave hero
ron - samwise gangee The funny best friend/sidekick
dumbledore - gandalf The wise old man
elves - veela The beautiful temptation
dementors - the 9 The evil hooded figures
horcruxe - the ring Ok, yes those two concepts are very similar.
voldemort - sauron The evil guy
fred/george - pippin and merry or the elronds twin sons who love to prank. The funny, witty, secondary characters

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are you telling me that you cannot see the connection between gimli and hagrid?

as for gollum and dobby, you have to understand that both of them are in similar situations and both bond/share something with the protagonist. also used to show frodo/harry their forgiving nature and their vulnerability.

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They're both hairy?

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Have any of you ever read Dracula.

At one point Van Helsing identifies the vampire Dracula with a historical Dracula in the middle ages (loosely based on or influenced by Vlad Dracula of Wallachia). Van Helsing, among other biographical details, says that Dracula studied magic at the Scholomance.

And the Scholomance seems to be an ancient Roumanian legend or folktale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scholomance

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I read and watched The Worst Witch before Harry Potter but both are very different.

Harry Potter is an orphan his parents where murdered by a Dark Wizard who tried to murder him for years, the Dark Wizard has followers called Death Eaters. Harry had to live with his horrible relatives, he slept in a cupboard under the stairs for years, until he got his letter for Hogwarts.

Its just magic and a boarding school in a castle, both very different castles.
Hogwarts is like a palace
Cackles Academy is just an ordinary castle turned into a school.

In the last Harry Potter book there is a wizarding war. So different to The Worst Witch.
The Worst Witch is just magic in school.

Oh and In The Worst Witch the teachers have witchy names Miss Hardbroom and Miss Cackle. None of the teachers in Harry Potter have names like that.

How about a Tournament that people have died in so they had to raise the age to 17+ (Harry Potter)
Harry Potter is wizards and witches with broomsticks for sports. Harry used his broom in the Tournament.
The brooms in Harry Potter are called racing brooms and have names like Firebolt.
The Worst Witch is like every other story about witches with brooms. That has been around for over 100 years.

In later Harry Potter books 4-7 they are quite dark very different to The Worst Witch. Just read them.

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"horcruxe - the ring Ok, yes those two concepts are very similar. "
Ka-Ching! e.g. "Bingo!" e.g. "Right, you're bloody well right!"

Two stories about destroying one or more magic objects which are insanely difficult to destroy.

And did anyone think of those "bankers" with immense wealth buried under a mountain?

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anyone who sees the date that the worst witch was published can see which one came first


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