movie vs novel


how exactly do the two compare?
what are some different themes? similar ones?

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Well, in the book, Fanny is a weak character. When I say weak, I mean she isn't very strong willed, unlike in the movie. I personally like Fanny strong willed, and, I liked the movie better than the book.

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I have to agree with above. I preferred the movie over the book. All Jane Austen's books are great but Mansfield Park was my least favorite because it just seemed like Edmund only married Fanny at the end for lack of another choice. But the movie is one of my favorite Jane Austen adaptions because the acting is great and in the movie Edmund seems to really love Fanny.

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A lot of Jane Austen afficiandos hate this movie because it takes so many liberties, but I agree with the above posters. I'm a Jane Austen-ophile, and as blasphemous as this will sound...the movie improved on the book. "Mansfield Park" was my least favorite of her books as well. Fanny wasn't all that likable and I just didn't care about her. I did in the movie. Plus, the actor playing Henry Crawford did a magnificent job! He was extremely sympathetic instead of being just smarmy. I kind of wanted Fanny to be with him, even though I'm supposed to root for Edmund. I thought this movie was extremely well acted and directed and it's one of my favorites.

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I too, thought this was a beautiful movie. Books and movies are NEVER comparable I think. You read a book you imagine your own characters and what is important in the plot and are invaribly disappointed when the director doesn't see it your way.
What I really loved about this movie was the acting. It was sublime! Reading the faces for what is not being said. Henry was great! I really felt he had changed and wept for joy when Fanny said yes! I think she would have been better off with him. The brother sister thing between fanny and Edmund was creepy! And that moment when he is caught by Fanny! It was a resigned look of "you could have saved me from this life!" and then his head to the wall when Edmund came in the room. Tore my heart! Having said that Edmund was, I think, my favourite. He said more in a moment of looks and conveyed real confusion and pain. When he says goodbye to fanny at the carriage and Mary is standing near. He wants to say something and his eyes flicker briefly in Mary's direction and you know he won't! Truely talented and I will be looking forward to seeing him in more. Harold Pinter too, as sir Betrum was wonderfully dark and delicious. i liked this movie because it brought some life into period drama which can often appear stale and dated while a lovely feast for the eyes. Here, the movie comes alive through beautiful, meaningful shots and great acting. I really enjoyed listening to the director's commentary on the DVD. I think if you have the chance, listen to it! it really adds a dimension to the movie and a real appreciation for her motivation behind why she did Austens story this way!

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One thing that was quite different in the film, is that Fanny accepts the proposal from Henry, whereas in the book, she doesn't. In the film you feel as though Fanny pushes Henry back to Maria by messing him about, but in the book you sort of see that Henry goes back to Maria because of his own impatience with Fanny.

Another thing is that in the film they make Fanny have a very strong interest in history and writing, and although she likes writing letters and is well read, I don't think it was quite to the extent that it was portrayed in the film.

The last thing I can really remember was that in the book, Fanny had a brother called William, who she loved as much if not more so than Edmund. William was in the navy, and through his connections Henry was able to get him promoted and so Fanny was very much in Henrys debt. Because he was so nice to william, she started to have second thoughts about Henry.

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The book is possibly the best written novel in the English language, in it's perfect balance of theme, prose and development of character. The major themes in the book are the balance of nature and nurture, of allowing the charcter to bloom and blossom at it's own pace, of consistency of character and being true to oneself over striving to please others. These themes are embodied in the house itself, Mansfield Park being a place which balances out Nature and confort behind the fashionable artifice of Southerton, and Mansfield Park also allows Fanny to achieve her full potential as a mature and constant woman by a peaceful and undertsnading education. Book Fanny is always true to herself. Mansfield Park also works it's powers over Lady Bertram, for whom Nature didn't provide so well in terms of good sense, but for whom nurturing has developed her understanding. Tom leaves the Park and becomes dissolute, but heals into a worthy heir to his father upon his return. Sir Bertram starts off as an overly strict patriarch with the best of intentions, and is slowly transformed upon his return to the Park into a caring and sensitive father figure. Susan, who is gifted by nature, but grows up in a vulgar and crass background, finds the balance in her life when she arrives at Mansfield Park.

The film is a watchable and superficially entertaining piece of Hollywood sensationalism that ignores all the major themes of the book, choosing instead to focus on some 'slavery' thing the director saw in it. It's much more "Dangerous Liasons' than Austen. The result is a B-grade film adaptation of a 18th Century French sexual satire. It's okay, but not particularly good.
Fearing that the shy, introverted and deeply sensitive Fanny of the book would be unpalatable to a modern audience, Fanny is becomes a cross between Lizzie Bennet and Jane Austen herself. I'm surprised they kept the name 'Fanny' as it's also unpalatable to a modern audience.

I'm not opposed to a modernisation of Austen's themes, and I adore 'Clueless' which while light hearted, is also very witty and observant - just like Jane Austen's novels. It is a very well rendered adaptation of Austen's style of satire into a modern vocabulary and mentality, and an excellent translation of the themes in 'Emma'.
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I definitely agree. Well written response, and my thoughts exactly!

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No one has been here in forever but I'm gunna post anyway.....
First I agree that you cannot compare a book and it's movie.I did like both for their own qualities. I think this adaption adds something that was missing from the book, but that they did look heavily into slavery, which I know is an important topic, but not necessarily in the case of this book.
I always favoured Edmund in the book, but I have to admit at one point I ended up cheering for Henry in the movie, just because he seemed more good natured and Treated Fanny less like a conquest than I felt he did in the book.

As stupid as this sounds I wish they hadn't cut the explicit Sex scene shots they did use in the movie (pre USA dvd) because what was left was less shocking (or maybe I have just been de-sensitized) and I think conveyed the Scandal of their deed better.

The book though is beautiful and I cannot possibly choose between which fanny I liked better.
Nothing Bothers me more than when people come on here and diss this beautiful film saying it was unlike the book, because when you listen to the fabulous directors commentary, her reasoning is so intelligent and clearly expresses a love for Jane Austen that you cannot question her choices and must accept this movie as her Idea of "mansfield Park"

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Well there you go.

I think Rozema is an utter nightmare for an Austen script. On her commentary, she reveals her ignorance of context, the themes, the relative importance of the characters, her misunderstandings of the importance of the key relationships (how else could she overlook Mrs Norris and leave out William Price) and most of all her complete blindness to the central concept of Mansfield Park, stupidly dilapidated in the film, as the cornerstone of nature, civilisation and manners.

Love for Jane Austen? Get real. She's driven a bulldozer through everything that Austen stands for and tried to incorporate in her best novel.

It's not a bad film, but it should be called something else and the characters renamed. No one would even recognise it as Austen then. Georgette Heyer more like

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I really enjoyed the film and I thought that on it's own it's particularily good. Compared with the novel, I think the film is sort of true to the novel but I must agree with the others that they made Fanny Price almost a subtle version of Elizabeth Bennet. Still, I like the film and Frances O'Connor (go the aussies!) did a fantastic job.

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I agree that on its own, this movie is a good one, and I enjoy watching it for its own sake. However, it is not so much an adaptation of the story of Mansfield Park the novel as it is a distant cousin of sorts. Mostly they kept the same names and a few basic plot devices (the Edmund-Mary-Fanny-Henry love mix-ups and the scandal at the end) but have changed characters and plot drastically enough that it's really not the novel anymore. The acceptance of Henry Crawford, the demonization of Sir Thomas -- in the novel he is stern but a good man nonetheless and eventually even "outgrows" his sternness -- and the whole idea of Fanny walking in on Henry and Maria mid-romp, well.... Let's just say that's not what Austen wrote or intended.

The slavery issue was also ballooned out of proportion, as it merits only a briefn reference in the book and had no impact on the plot. Sir Thomas owns a plantation in Antigua, and he does spend a considerable length of time there to take care of business matters, but slavery is only mentioned when Edmund notes that Fanny has been talking more, and he was pleased to hear her asking Sir Thomas a question about the slave trade, as it means that she's coming more into prominence in the family instead of sitting in the background. In no way is the issue of abolition mentioned or promoted in the novel. (That being said, I definitely do not condone slavery, but I think that to force it into the movie as much as it was done accomplished nothing but a distraction. And what on earth were they thinking when they decided to make Sir Thomas so evil about the slaves? What does that accomplish? Not to mention the anachronisms they are committing with the whole importation issue...)

In the credits it specifically says that the movies was based on the novel by Jane Austen, as well as on her early writings, letters and journals. Fanny has been transformed completely to fit the popular view of an Austen heroine -- as someone mentioned above, Elizabeth Bennet/Jane Austen herself. While I do like the character portrayed by Frances O'Connor, it really has nothing to do with the character created by Austen, aside from the name and her love for Edmund.

I guess the short version of this reply is that the novel is very good and this movie is quite good, but they really are not the same thing at all, even more so in the usual way of the movie version never being the same as the book version of any story. I like them both but view them more as distant cousins than siblings -- with a few prominent "family features" in common but not much else.

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