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Can someone answer this for me? Really important about the burning scene


From what I have read and from the parts that I have seen... are there any movies of Joan of Arc, so far that depict the burning scene completely accurate? I know that they could never really make it perfectly accurate (being so long ago)... but howcome,from what I have seen, they dont show Joan calling out the name of Jesus over and over again like she did in realy life.. or show her asking for the cross to be lifted right above her eyesight. How come they havnt done this so far?

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I thought they did make her say those things in this miniseries.

Or...I just shoot you - "baby."
- Scully

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possibly they did.. I have only seen The Messenger and The Passion.... I have never seen the mini series

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She did call out to God, not specifically Jesus, and then she suddenly became calm and peaceful.

God giveth, and the DMV taketh away!

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She calls out 'God' twice and 'Jesus' once

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There's a 1970 Russian adaptation of Joan of Arc called "Nachalo" that depicts a fairly accurate Joan-at-the-stake scene. It shows her with her head shaved and a heretics cap, which was usually placed on the heads of people convicted of heresy, though I don't know for sure if Joan had one placed on her, but it's likely.
There's a clip of her burning, in Nachalo, at Youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hG1aRfG9hvw

The most accurate one, overall, was The Passion of Joan of Arc, which showed the actual words she spoke at the trail and at the stake.
An actual depiction would show her, most likely, gasping for air as she suffocated from the smoke as well as her cloth-gown burning away from her body, but showing that would be viewed as disrespectful and possibly vulgar. In the TV version they do show her gown starting to burn away from her, which is the only version, I've scene, that takes note of this.

In the TV version she asked for a crucifix, when, in fact, they gave her a cross. A crucifix is a cross *with* a crucified Jesus on it. She also did call out to Jesus several times, in real life, but she only said his name once in this version, I suppose they did this to be politically correct.
Also, it was a clergy man named Martin Ladvenu who held-up the crucifix for Joan, not Jean de Metz, who wasn't even at her trial or execution

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Try the page below which has the execution scene from Joan of Arc with Ingrid Bergman
http://www.maidofheaven.com/joanofarc_videos_burning.asp

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In this version, she does ask for a crucifix to be raised to the level of her eyes, and then cries out "God" and "Jesus" several times as the flames engulf her. It's heartbreaking because we're so used to seeing paintings and portrayals of Joan looking and acting all serene while she burns. In real life she most likely screamed and cried as depicted here.

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Actually they say she made relatively little noise, but did cry God's Name very briefly right before she died.

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Jean did call out Jesus' name up to six times as she was burning. Hollywood producers would NOT have that.




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Because unless you were actually there at the time and videoed her death, you are relying solely on biassed historical accounts of the event, many written by people who were either not there themselves, or not even born at the time...
No-one can say for sure exactly what she did.

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I was there in one of my former lives.



"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)

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But unless you can actually prove that, your statement does not substantiate your assertions... 

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I will take you there for a personal tour. Then you will see everything.



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Long as you're paying for it, I'll entertain that exhibit as an evidentiary submission... I'm ready. Let's go then.

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I'll entertain that exhibit as an evidentiary submission.


I only submit to GOD.

However, the trip is on me. You are paying for your own meals and buying me coffee.



"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)

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You will freely submit your evidence to this court, or your assertion is dismissed as falsehood and you are sentenced to burn as a heretic... let's see how many times you cry out.
That is the order of this court.

Next....

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How about this, Na' Yawk style? Go and blow it OUTTA YER' A$$.



"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)

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Contempt of court - 18 years without parole.
Inability to articulate 'Noo Yoick' accent - 5 years, with monthly YouTube shaming.
Inability to substantiate assertions - Weekly re-run of humiliation on Judge Judy.

Next...

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taskmaster

I do NOT hail from the Bronx, darling.

At least you have a sense of humor! I WAS THERE IN A FORMER LIFE. Prove that I was NOT!




"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)

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I do NOT hail from the Bronx, darling.

Sounds like you don't even come from the East Coast... No NYer ever sounded like that... *Na'* Yawk?
You sound like a Brit trying to play an Okie, in fact!!

I WAS THERE IN A FORMER LIFE. Prove that I was NOT!

Your assertion, your burden of proof - Them's the rules.

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taskmaster

I am looking over Manhattan as I am typing this. Trust me who would admit to living in this snake pit?

The last thing that I would be is a Brit.

Burden of proof----You must join me in France, again the invitation.


"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)

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I am looking over Manhattan as I am typing this. Trust me who would admit to living in this snake pit?

I can think or worse places...

The last thing that I would be is a Brit.

You could be an ex-pat...
What's wrong with Brits, anyway? A lot of my good friends are Brits!!

Burden of proof----You must join me in France, again the invitation.

The burden includes covering any cost of bringing me the proof... or in this case bringing me *to* the proof!
If you win the case, you can claim the costs back off the losing party.

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taskmaster

I am a very generous person when it comes to sport.

BTW, Brits mumble.




"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)

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Brits don't mumble. Yanks are just too used to EVERYONE BEING LOUD!!!

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taskmaster

Do you realize just how noisy it is in NYC?

Lady Di took diction and public speaking lessons from a Yank.




"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)

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No noisier than in Cape Town, Jo'burg, London, Paris or Barcelona...

As for Di - She took lessons in public speaking from two Brit actors, including Richard Attenborough, in order to overcome her shyness. She already grew up with perfect diction, being a privately educated member of the nobility, and all.
Actually it was communications strategy she learned from the Yank... and yet she still did not end up shouting all the time.

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taskmaster

Although I have profound respect for Lady Di, I am not a groupie as are some people. So I stand/sit corrected.

From where are you posting?

I am from NYC, but I do not shout; that is unless someone is trying to park on me.


"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)

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Although I have profound respect for Lady Di, I am not a groupie as are some people. So I stand/sit corrected.

I merely used Google... 

From where are you posting?

Today, the dysmal city of Grootfontein. Tomorrow will likely be London...!!

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taskmaster

Have a safe trip.



"A stitch in time, saves your embarrassment." (RIP Ms. Penny LoBello)

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