Who would you pick?


She's famous for her beauty and I often used to wonder what she looked like and who would be perfect to play her, marc antony, and julius caesar. Even if it's not entirely correct, I'd think I'd pick Adriana Lima to play Cleopatra (based soley on looks, she IS a model after all) because she looks so exotic, and Ben Affleck to play Marc Antony (I just imagine Marc's boyish personality to be personified by Ben Affleck :]). I haven't decided on Julius Caesar though. Who would you all pick?

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She is actually not famous for her beauty,

"For her actual beauty, it is said, was not in itself so remarkable that none could be compared with her, or that no one could see her without being struck by it, but the contact of her presense, if you lived with her, was irresistable..." -Plutarch: "Life of Antony" 4,6-8,25-31,35,53-87.

So if you really wanted to do her justice, one would cast a charasmatic person to play her, or someone that could portray charisma, instead of just basing her character on physical appearance.

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I'd like to see that rather then pretty-pretty women playing Cleopatra, I want a REAL view of Cleopatra and not just these two love-struck Romeo and Juliet people getting hunted down by the Tybalt style Octavian. That said however... Many women have been said to have been considered the most beautiful women in the world yet they didn't look it. I fail so see anything stunning in Livia Drusilla. The only two I'll agree with are Octavia and Julia, Octavian's sister and daughter.

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Teri Harrison have her hair died brunette and play Cleopatra.

Stallone play Julias Caesar

Christian Bale play Marc Anthony

Russel Crowe play Augustus Caesar

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There's a Canadian actress who I don't know the name of, but she startled me with her beauty - unlike any I'd seen before - when I saw her recently on an episode of a locally shot series called Whistler. She is obviously of both African and European descent because of her dark-olive skin and her finely boned face (not a full-blooded African-Canadian), with a mass of dark, curly (not frizzy) hair and striking grey-blue eyes. A true Cleopatra.


Wrong, Cleopatra was neither African nor an Anglo-Saxon European looking. She had Greek looks and according to ancient sources her family is described as being fair with aburn brownish/red hair. She is said to come from the same family branch as Alexander the Great, her great-grea-great-great-great-great etc. etc. grandfather. Ptolemy I(the creator of the Ptolemy Dynasty and one of Alexander's generals) was said to be the half brother of Alexander the Great.

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Ahah! Did you know that blue eyes were not uncommon in ancient Macedonia?


That is nothing that I didn't know, blue eyes were not uncommon in most ancient Greeks but neither were they as common as some people would like to make them out to be. According to most ancient scholars of that time period they credit that this bust of Cleopatra is what the ancient ruler more then likely looked like aka she had Greek features.
http://www.cleopatra.com.ar/images/cleopatra.jpg

And isn't Macedonia, where the first Ptolemy came from, in Europe? It was the last time I heard.


You heard right, the Ptolemies came from the ancient Greek Kingdom of Macedonia.

And don't judge the looks of all ancient Greeks on the looks of modern Greeks; at lot of DNA from invaders has been mixed in over the last 3000 years.


Wrong, that's a myth which most people not familiar with the anthropology of Greece fall for. The admixture of modern Greeks is not that different from the admixutre of ancient Greeks. Greeks since ancient times have been a mixture of "fair" and "dark", they did not become "darker" or "lighter" because of some mythical "admixture" of later on groups. This false idealogy was first started by Jakob Fallmerayer and later on the Third Reich used it as the bases of their false ideologies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Philipp_Fallmerayer

Also the colour of her hair has never been completely agreed on. The belief by some that she was a decendent of King Mithidates of Pontus (in Turkey) gives her a possiblity of dark hair as well.


King Mithridates was from the kingdom of Pontus which was a HELLENIC aka GREEK kingdom, not sure familiar you are with the history but Anatolia aka modern Turkey was populated with Greek civilizations since ancient times and Pontus up until the early 20th century was one of those civilizations. I should know my paternal side of the family are Pontian Greeks from Pontus and most of them are fair skinned with light brownish to aburn/redish hair. As far as Cleopatra goes, her destaint relations to King Mithridates would not have ruled out her having dark nor auburnish hair color but given how most of the Ptolemy intermarried each other more then likely it was brownish~auburn color.

Plus Nubian blood had been flowing through the Egyptian royal families for centuries, and very likely found it's way into the Ptolemy family as well through the various wives the Ptolemy Pharaohs took. No one really knows who Cleopatra's mother was; she may have been a princess or a concubine, Egyptian, Nubian, Mauretanian, I could go on and on. So I think Cleopatra's features will always be up for good debate for another 2000 years. I like to think of her as a mixture of various bloods that flowed through her veins.


Wrong, not one of them married outside their family boundaries and the ones who did take wives from other Dynasties it was with Dynasties started by Alexander's top Greek generals who were part of the Macedonian Royal families. The Macedonian Royal families and upper elite believed they were descentant from the Greek hero Hercules. These Generals mostly intermarried with one another rarely did they married outside their royal boundaries, the only one to do so was Greek ruler Seleucus I Nicator which I explain below. You just repeated above what people who are not familiar with the history of the Ptolemaic Danasty have been repeating, misleading myths that only were brought forth in recent times. There is absolutely no proof that either of Cleopatra's grandmothers, mother, father or whoever in their family was of Egyptian or African origins.

Most reliable scholars admit Cleopatra was not of African/Egyptian descent. Even Afrocentrism scholars such as Ibrahim Sundiata, Asante and even Erich S. Gruen of wayout-liberal Berkeley tacitly admit that there is no evidence which point to either of Cleopatra's grandmothers of having African/Egyptian blood.

The Ptolemy Dynasty were very xenophobian but the xenophobia that they had, had nothing to do with race. The Macedonian Royalty, which Cleopatra was part of, have always believed they were descendants of the Greek Hero Hercules. To keep their Herculanian blood line "pure" the Ptolemaic Dynasty inbred like crazy or took wives from other Macedonian Royalty who traced their bloodline to Hercules, see above of what I mean by this. This belief is one that even Cleopatra herself believed in. She made sure she had her children from Roman families who supposedly traced their genes to the Trojans. This was not by accident on her part. Her son Ptolemy Caesar, she had with Caesar, who's family traced their well-known patrician family (gens Julia), to Julus, the son of the Trojan prince Aeneas, who was the supposed son of the Goddess Aphrodite/Venus. The earliest Hellenic explanations, in fact, had Greeks themselves, claiming the Trojans as ancestors there-fore ancestors of Rome - a fact that Cleopatra being of Greek origin would have been familiar with. As might be expected, these stories began to take shape in the era of Greek colonization in the west ala modern day Italy.

Antony's children, Cleopatra Selene and Alexander Helios, she believed she had with a family, Mark Antony's, which claimed descent from Anton, son of the Greek hero Hercules. Her alliance with Mark Antony was not only on the basis as lovers but infact both believed their families were descendants of Hercules there fore in a way making them kinfolk - in other words their families were related through Hercules. I know, I know, today we look upon Hercules as a fictional Greek mythical figure but to the ancients their mythology was actually real, in other words they believed in it as some Christians believe in Jesus, the Jews in God and the Buddist etc. etc. etc. (i.e. as really historical figures).

What people fail to mention about Cleopatra being of African descent is the fact that this theory was not raised until the 16th century - that is thousands of years AFTER Cleopatra's death. Most writers who question her heritage are not even ancient writers but modern revisionists.

The first American writer to suggest that Cleopatra had a black ancestor was J.A. Rogers, in World's Great Men of Color. Rogers muddled the Sibling-Loving family tree to the point were some use his theories as 'proof' of Cleo's questionable heritage. For one he claims her father was Ptolemy XIII, which is wrong, he was Ptolemy XII; he claims her grandfather was Ptolemy XI, which was wrong again, it was Ptolemy IX.

Another of his sources was the play Antony and Cleopatra by Shakespeare. Shakespear descripes Cleopatra as being "tawny" or "mulatto". Personally I wouldn't give much credit to Shakespear's authority on Ptolemaic geneology.

Roger's other 'evidence' of Cleo's questionable parentage was Ripley's Believe It Or Not where Ripley says "he has proof that Cleo was 'fat and black'" even though he hasn't produced any evidence of the fact to back up this claim.

Another perpetrator of false Cleopatra information is by modern writer John Henrik Clarke, professor at Hunter College. He uses a modern portrait of a black Cleopatra to support his claims. He also says that in the Book of Acts Cleopatra describes herself as "black" but does not give the chapter and verse that this claim is made - the reason for this is that anyone familiar with the Book of Acts would tell you Cleopatra is not even mentioned in the Book of Acts. A lot of modern writers have used Roger's and Clarke's illogical/false theories as their bases to support the questionable birth of Cleopatra.

The Ptolemaic Dynasty followed the matrilinear nature of succession, a system in which one belongs to one's mother's lineage; inheritance of property or titles through the female line. A tradition that many ancient Greeks followed since the times of the Minoans and Mycenaeans. If Ptolemy XII's mother was not of Ptolemiac blood, there were other Ptolemaic children who's moms were that would have been chosen as rulers. For Ptolemy to become a ruler his mother had to have been of Ptolemaic bloodline. The Ptolemy also believed that the "sister-born" was a prerequisite of legitimacy and for a Ptolemaic princess to be a recognised sister she must also have been a queen. The biological mother of Ptolemy XII had to have been in a relationship with Ptolemy IX and she also had to have had sufficent standing for her son to be recognized as Ptolemy IX's heir. A non Ptolemic concubine's illegitimate off spring would never hold the status of ruling over the Ptolemy royal house hold since we have evidence that there were other legitament Ptolemaic children in the royal household to take that spot. Cleopatra VII herself followed the family practice of marrying within the family. She married her two brothers (Ptolemy XIII and XIV) in succession (after the first died in suspicious circumstances, she had the second murdered).

There is evidence which points to the fact that Ptolemy XII's mother, Cleo's grandmom, was Cleopatar IV, she was not a ruling Queen when she had Ptolemy XII but that does not mean she was not of Ptolemaic descent. Ptolemy XII's father, Ptolemy IX, was married for a brief period to his sister, Cleopatra IV, who was not a concubine as some have falsely suggested. It was during this period that they had Ptolemy XII, Cleo's dad, before Ptolemy IX was king of Egypt. They were both forcibly divorced by their mother, Cleopatra III, because she wanted Ptolemy IX to marry their other sister, Cleopatra Selena. Since Cleopatra IV, was not a ruling queen when she had Ptolemy XII, Cleo's dad, then any mention of her would be removed and disregarding. Thus labels such as "bastard" and "illegitimate" were given to Ptolemy XII but not because he was of an "unknown" concubine or whatever origin but because his mother was not a ruling queen when she had him. From his titulary Ptolemy XII claims to be heir to the god Soter but does not mention being heir to his mother. This is because his mother was not a ruling queen when she had him but she was of Ptolemaic descent for Ptolemy XII to be giving rule over Egypt, especially when legitament Ptolemaic children were a plenty in the royal household and could have been chosen if Ptolemy XII's mom was not of a Ptolemaic bloodline.

Just in case anyone is wondering: Paternal Grandmother ~ Cleopatra IV[famed Cleo's grandmom ~ dad's mom] she was the daughter of Cleopatra III Euergetis and Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II Tryphon ~ her parents were uncle and niece ~ Cleopatra IV had with her husband and brother Ptolemy IX Soter II ~ Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos Philopator Philadelphos ~ he was famed Cleopatra's father; Maternal Grandmother ~ was Berenice III Cleopatra Philopator[famed Cleo's grandmom ~ mom's mom] she was the daughter of Ptolemy IX Soter II & Cleopatra Selene I and first cousin/sister to famed Cleo's father which I will explain in detail below ~ her parents were brother and sister their parents were Cleopatra III Euergetis and Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II Tryphon ~ (in other words Ptolemy IX, Cleopatra IV and Cleopatra Selene I were all siblings) ~ Berenice III Cleopatra Philopator had with her husband and uncle Ptolemy X Alexander I Philometor ~ who was also the son of Cleopatra III Euergetis and Ptolemy VIII Euergetes II Tryphon ~ Cleopatra V Tryphaena ~ she was famed Cleopatra's mother. Yes for those who have noticed famed Cleopatra's paternal and maternal grandfather is one and the same, he had children with both his sisters: one gave birth to Cleo's father, Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos Philopator Philadelphos, and the other gave birth to Cleo's maternal grandmother, Berenice III; Cleo's maternal grandmother, Berenice, married her uncle(Bernice's father and mother's other brother, Ptolemy X Alexander); from that union they had Cleo's mother, Cleopatra V Tryphaena; Cleo's mother, Cleopatra V, then married Cleo's father, Ptolemy XII, who also happened to be Cleopatra V's uncle/cousin. Oh and just in case anyone is wondering about fame Cleo's great-grandmother, Cleopatra III Euergetis, who was both the paternal and maternal great-grandmother of fame Cleo, she was the daughter of Ptolemy VI Philometor and Cleopatra II, her parents were brother and sister. If anything the Ptolemies had some Persian in them. One of the Ptolemies very early great relatives, Ptolemy III Euergetes Tryphon, married Berenice II who was from the Greek rulers of the Seleucid Dynasty and we know that Berenice's great-grandfather, the Greek ruler Seleucus I Nicator, one of Alexander the Great's generals and creator of the Seleucus Dynasty, married the Persian Princess Apame, the only one according to ancient texts, of the Seleucid rulers to marry a non-Hellenic woman. Seleucus I Nicator and Apame's son, was Antiochus I Soter; Antiochus married the Greek Macedonian Princess Stratonice; Antiochus and Stratonice were materinal grandparents to Bernice II, their daughter Arsinoe Apama was Berenice II's mother; Arsinoe Apama husband and Bernice II's father was the Greek Macedonian ruler Magas. So you could say its through Berenice II, who's maternal great-grandmother was Persian, that the Ptolemy had something like 5% Persian in them.

Cleopatra VII spoke several languages for diplomatic purposes such as Latin and Egyptian but her first language was Greek. None of the former Ptolemaic rulers spoke any other langauge but Greek. Cleopatra however knew that being able to communicate in other peoples languages would help her gain the power which she was aiming to achieve. Plutarch tells us that her linguist skills were "extraordinary". He says she spoke 'most languages' and there were but few of the foreign ambassadors to whom she needed an interpreter for. Some of the languages which he specifies were - aside from Greek of course - Latin, Egyptian, Ethiopian, Coptic, Hebrew, Syrian, South Central Semitic, Persian and Mede(probably something close to Avestan and Scythian). Scholars have found her handwriting in Greek on royal decree. She chose to portray herself as an Greek and Egyptian not because she was an Egyptian biologically, but because she was ambitious to stay in power.

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Gee! You do take some things a little too personally don't you. Look, in all the reading I've been doing over the last several years, I haven't come across any solid proof the Cleopatra V was Cleopatra's mum. In fact besides people like yourself who think she was, I've read authors - Colleen McCullough, Margaret George, Julia Samson etc., whose sources you can check up on - who have said "possibly" and "maybe" Cleopatra V was, and some who've said her mum was unknown. I'm willing to believe that because I have an open imagination.

Also the Ptolemy pharoahs did marry outside their family. It was a part of foreign politics with their neighbours Nubia, Syria, Parthia etc. etc., and was looked upon them as good foreign policy. They did have their chief wives, as the great Ramses II had has Nefertiri, but like him they had a bevy of minor wives, some who gave him children. Perhaps this was so with Cleopatra.

Did I say the actress I thought would be a good Cleopatra was black? No, I said she was obviously of European and African descent, not a full-blooded African-Canadian, and that her features are a dark, olive-coloured skin . Her features are such that as an actress she could pass herself off as being from southern Spain to the Indian subcontinent. And don't say I don't know what I'm talking about there; I live in a very multicultural city with a high Asian and southern European immigrant population. Oh, and if you're about to counter me there, remember that Alexander the Great's men left their genes scattered through the tribes of northern Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. You must also take into mind the Indo-Europeans who are the reason European and Near Eastern languages have many things in common with Sanskrit etc.

Your reference to an author of Hitler's Third Reich to fact that ancient Greeks and modern Greeks don't look identical is very peculiar. The part of my city I live has a large Greek immigrant population and their children and grandchjldren. It is stuffed with Greek restaurants. One of my neighbours is Greek by her mother, is going over to Greece to teach again as she did two years ago and has said to me that modern Greeks are a mixture of different peoples from the past 3000 years.

So that is the last I have to say about it. Goodbye.

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umm... for cleopatra i would choose rosario dawson.

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umm... for cleopatra i would choose rosario dawson.


"umm", you might as well pick Dawson to play Catherine the Great. In other words its not a accurate depiction.

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Neither was the other female that played her, it says "who would you pick" not "who would you pick that is physically similar to cleopatra" gosh ease up people, it's my opinion.

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To knvobrien: !!!!

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Noway, there isn't a fact that she could not have been of Ptolemaic bloodline 'cause too bad too sad for those who believe this myth all reliable facts, which not even those Afrocentric modern scholars who like to push fictional crap like this, can't disprove she wasn't of Ptolemaic bloodline but we do have reliable sources which point that she was of Greek Ptolemaic blood line. I don't work with Afrocentric assumption and theories, those are for the bird and the trash. Give me facts because we all know how the saying goes about people who assume.

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Gee! You do take some things a little too personally don't you. Look, in all the reading I've been doing over the last several years, I haven't come across any solid proof the Cleopatra V was Cleopatra's mum. In fact besides people like yourself who think she was, I've read authors - Colleen McCullough, Margaret George, Julia Samson etc., whose sources you can check up on - who have said "possibly" and "maybe" Cleopatra V was, and some who've said her mum was unknown. I'm willing to believe that because I have an open imagination.


Its not taking anything personal but disprove ignorant remarks by people who believe every crap that is handed to them. There is absolutely solid evidence that Cleopatra V was Cleopatra's mum and her father's sister. As for you, your creditability goes out the window when you give me as your "sources" people who are not even trained in the Classics, i.e. the fictional author Colleen McCullough. Any moron nowadays can write historical novels it does not make them experts in the field. Learn your facts.

Also the Ptolemy pharoahs did marry outside their family. It was a part of foreign politics with their neighbours Nubia, Syria, Parthia etc. etc., and was looked upon them as good foreign policy. They did have their chief wives, as the great Ramses II had has Nefertiri, but like him they had a bevy of minor wives, some who gave him children. Perhaps this was so with Cleopatra.


WRONG! again, the Ptolemy did not marry outside their family and the few who brought in "outside" wives were from the GREEK Royal houses set up by Alexander's generals. Check historical facts not fictional Afrocentric novels. Here is a little fact you obviously do not know regarding the Ptolemies judging by your ignorant comments on them. Although they adopted some Egyptian customes, the Ptolemies believed that Greek culture and peoples were better then anyone else, including the Egyptians they ruled over. They changed EVERYTHING in Egypt, the capital they moved to Alexandria(a Greek city build by Greeks), the national language became Greek, cities were renamed with Greek names, non of the Ptolemy Rulers spoke any other language BUT Greek, even the country they gave it a Greek name ~ Egypt is not the name which the native Egyptians called their country ~ and the whole native Egyptian populations occupied the lowest of social positions. Plus if there was any likelihood that Cleopatra's mother was of non Ptolemaic bloodline, the one element which would give a ruler the right to rule the Ptolemaic Dynasty, if that was true and there was ANY question about her birth, Cleopatra's enemies such as her siblings and particularly her biggest enemy, the Romans, WOULD HAVE USED IT AGAINST HER TO KICK HER OUT!!, xazo!

Did I say the actress I thought would be a good Cleopatra was black? No, I said she was obviously of European and African descent, not a full-blooded African-Canadian, and that her features are a dark, olive-coloured skin . Her features are such that as an actress she could pass herself off as being from southern Spain to the Indian subcontinent. And don't say I don't know what I'm talking about there; I live in a very multicultural city with a high Asian and southern European immigrant population.


I don't care if she is African-Canadian-Spanish-English-Chinese-Japenese-Indian-Nubian-Dutch-Arabic-German-Jewish whatever, she is still not the correct depiction of the Queeen. And you don't know what you are talking about because the busts that we have of Cleopatra which scholars say are of the Queen do not show her with AFRICAN or MIXED or whatever features, but Greek features. So you can go on believing all that Afrocentric fictional assumptions and opinions all you like, in the end that's all it is, fictional opinions. You might as well have Lucy Liu play Queen Elizabeth. Too bad so sad for you these busts of Cleopatra which legit scholars of the time period say are of the Queen prove you wrong and what I have been saying all along as right.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2c/Ac.cleopatra.jpg
http://einscafe.eins.org/einscafe/cleo04.jpg
http://ce.eng.usf.edu/pharos/alexandria/Gallery/cleopatra.gif

Oh, and if you're about to counter me there, remember that Alexander the Great's men left their genes scattered through the tribes of northern Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan. You must also take into mind the Indo-Europeans who are the reason European and Near Eastern languages have many things in common with Sanskrit etc.


I already DID counter you there and every else remark you made I have proven how ignorant they are on the subject matter; and we are NOT talking about Alexander's men but the ROYAL MACEDONIAN FAMILIES, you know the generals who RULED over the Hellenic kingdoms after Alexanders death including: The Ptolemaic Dynasty ~ Over Egypt based in Alexandria; The Seleucid Dynasty ~ Over Syria, Mesopotamia and Modern Afghanistan and Pakistan Regions; The Antigonid Dynasty ~ Over Greece; The Attalid Dynasty ~ Over Anatolia and Black Sea Regions. You obviously do not understand how elitest the ancient Greek ruling families were to actually belief that BS that some modern scholars are selling about some ancient "utopia" where the ruling Hellenistic famalies got along with their native subjects and everyone "intermingled", "intermixed" and "intermarried" one another. HA! What a load of crock. Is THAT why they basically made the GREEK language the national language in every place they ruled and the Greek culture a major factor in all their Kingdoms? How ignorant, I suggest you stop reading fictional novels and start reading actual legit historical material. Not one of Alexander's men who set up the Hellenic Dynasties after Alexander's death married outside their family boundaries and the ones who did take wives from other Dynasties, it was within the Dynasties started by Alexander's top Greek generals who were part of the Macedonian Royal families. The Macedonian Royal families and upper elite believed they were descendants from the Greek hero Hercules. These Generals mostly intermarried with one another and did not marry women outside their royal boundaries because they did not want to ruin their GOD LIKE bloodlines which they believed RAN THREW THEIR VEINS. So guess what, your stupid comment of them taking Afgan, or Nubian or Egyptian or whatever other wives is less then likely given the thinking mentality these rulers had and YES this is based on historical sourced facts and not assumptions and opinions as your theories are. The only one to do so was the Greek ruler Seleucus I Nicator, see we know he did because it was docemented, just as it was documented that NONE of the other Hellenic rulers, including the Ptolemaic Dynasty, took non-Hellenic wives. If anything the Ptolemies had some Persian in them because of Seleucus when one of the Ptolemies very early great relatives, Ptolemy III Euergetes Tryphon, married Berenice II who came from the Greek rulers of the Seleucid Dynasty, you know those suppose "Syrians" you were talking about, those were the GREEK SELEUCID rulers, trelo, they were NOT Syrians, and we know that Berenice's great-grandfather, the Greek ruler Seleucus I Nicator, one of Alexander the Great's generals and creator of the Seleucus Dynasty, married the Persian Princess Apame, the only one according to ancient texts, of the Seleucid rulers to marry a non-Hellenic woman. Seleucus I Nicator and Apame's son, was Antiochus I Soter; Antiochus married the Greek Macedonian Princess Stratonice; Antiochus and Stratonice were materinal grandparents to Bernice II, their daughter Arsinoe Apama was Berenice II's mother; Arsinoe Apama husband and Bernice II's father was the Greek Macedonian ruler Magas. So you could say its through Berenice II, who's maternal great-grandmother was Persian, that the Ptolemy had something like 5% Persian in them. Great your facts straight.

Your reference to an author of Hitler's Third Reich to fact that ancient Greeks and modern Greeks don't look identical is very peculiar.


Not particular at all given that if you actually studied history once in a while you would have known who the source of that crap you've been posting about comes straight from Fallmerayer, who's theories the Nazis have also used. Yeah, great source of info there you've got....NOT...even if it was unknowingly.

The part of my city I live has a large Greek immigrant population and their children and grandchjldren. It is stuffed with Greek restaurants. One of my neighbours is Greek by her mother, is going over to Greece to teach again as she did two years ago and has said to me that modern Greeks are a mixture of different peoples from the past 3000 years.


Wow, you have contact with what less then -1% of the Greek population and that makes you an expert on what ancient and modern Greek peoples admixture is? And no having a supposed friend who is Greek does not count. Whatever, dude, I'm 100% Greek have studied and know very well what I'm talking about when it comes to the Classics, meaning actual historical content and not fictional sources like you obviously have judging by your ignorant comments. See unlike you, who's contact with Greeks is less then -0000000000000001%, I am exposed to Greeks and Greek culture on a regular bases 24 hours a day. Too bad so sad for ignorant morons like Jakob Fallmerayer and the ones who believe in his disproven theories, consciensly or unconsciensly, that modern research and science has proven once and for all how the admixture of modern Greeks is not different from that of ancient Greeks. HA!

Ancient
http://www.ancientsculpturegallery.com/sitebuilder/images/190-420x600.jpg
Modern
http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39963000/jpg/_39963935_torch2g33.jpg

Ancient depictions of Aegean Creten women frescos said to be the oldest in Europe to date and modern Greek woman:
http://www.culture.gr/2/21/211/21121a/00/lk21a08g.jpg
http://www.divamodels.gr/preview.php?img=Pegioupegiou%20xristiana3.jpg
http://www.fhw.gr/chronos/02/islands/images/religion/max/adorants.gif
http://www.divamodels.gr/preview.php?img=Pegioupegiou%20xristiana1.jpg
http://www.divamodels.gr/preview.php?img=Pegioupegiou%20xristiana2.jpg
http://www.santorini-art.com/images/santorini_wall_paintings_7.jpg
http://www.divamodels.gr/preview.php?img=Pegioupegiou%20xristiana6.jpg

Ancient Greek depiction and a modern Greek woman below...oh and By the Way the head gear which the modern Greek woman is wearing is called a gida found in the Greek region of Macedonia. That head gear was traditionally worn in ancient Greece by Alexander's soldiers and its still part of the Greek traditional costumes worn by Greek Macedonians to this date; women usually dress theirs up to make them look more "colorful":
http://www.cable-infinity.gr/telpeh/images/makedoniki.gif
http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/images/25.jpg

Modern & Ancient:
http://www.meaus.com/2004-olympia-temple.JPEG
http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/images/23.jpg

Modern & Ancient:
http://www.olympic-museum.de/torches/tor52_2.JPG
http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/images/haifa/h123.jpg
http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/images/haifa/h54.jpg
http://www.sfmission.com/gallery_files/site_pics/Greece/Art_and_History/Dionysus/Maenads/maenad-thrust.jpg
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/faye_georgakopoulou.jpg
http://www.korthi.gr/news/pic00/fl7.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/O/P/Hera02-l.jpg
http://www.olympics.org.uk/Library/gallery/LightingOlympia.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/elena_skafida.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/S/P/HeraBustLudovisi-l.jpg
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/angie_berovinou.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://www.culture.gr/2/21/214/21405m/00/lm05m024.jpg
http://k43.pbase.com/o4/03/581203/1/55027302.Am_Vesp_04.jpg
http://www.mesogios.gr/arxeio/2004/07/09/floga_kypros.jpg
http://www.korthi.gr/news/pic00/fl4.jpg

Ancient & Modern
http://www.korthi.gr/news/pic00/fl2.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_27.45.jpg
http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2004/08/30/closeseed_gallery__331x550.jpg
http://www.culture.gr/2/20/201/2011/201101/00/l2011d1.jpg
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Misc/GirlStamp.jpg
http://k41.pbase.com/v3/03/581203/2/46881356.Girl.jpg
http://www.eett.gr/gr_pages/telec/Koin_Synisfora/ote/ote-Koin-Oikon.files/image004.jpg
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Misc/BoyCat.jpg
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Misc/Tloupas1.jpg
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Misc/lk02m013.jpg
http://www.greekshops.com/images//203701.jpg
http://hoodmuseum.dartmouth.edu/exhibitions/coa/images/Cat_124.jpg
http://www.greekshops.com/images//amaliacostume_372.jpg
http://www.monash.vic.gov.au/lang-greek/photos/greek-girls.jpg
http://www.athena.agrino.org/images/theater/2002_03/eirini2_Aristophani_650_bg.jpg
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/04/other_sport_athens_olympics_2004/img/13.jpg
http://users.ilei.sch.gr/kkotsanas/olymp/ireasos.jpg
http://users.ilei.sch.gr/kkotsanas/olymp/P4090014sos.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://jesus-messiah.com/gifs/olympic-flame.jpg
http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/images/19.jpg
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/irini_douka.jpg
http://www.musiccorner.gr/images/minosemi/zoi_01.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/images/haifa/h118.jpg
http://www.abc.net.au/science/features/greekgeeks/img/zeus.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://www.greecetravel.com/archaeology/mitsopoulou/zulu/p029pic01.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/x/Q/ArtemisPraxitele-l.jpg
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/chara.jpg
http://www.agnostos.gr/agnman/data/upimages/floga010804.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/eirene2.jpg
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/angela_markaki.jpg
http://www.vroma.org/images/mcmanus_images/eirene.jpg

Ancient & Modern
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/demetra_eleftheriou.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_44.11.2,.3.jpg
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/katerina_stamataki.jpg

Ancient & Modern
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/noni_dounia.jpg
http://mishami.image.pbase.com/v3/03/581203/2/46880864.Vlolunteer2.jpg
http://www.apologitis.com/gr/ancient/eik/aspasia.jpg
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/pictures/greekwomen/konstantina_nikolaou.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-03/26/xinsrc_d32ea7ef373f4cb7b505530a4506c2eb_MDF45583.jpg
http://jesus-messiah.com/gifs/olympic-witches3.jpg
http://www.arts-cape.com/hollypedlosky/artlinkimg/esteomegax4002.jpg
http://www.sfmission.com/gallery_files/site_pics/Greece/Art_and_History/Dance/Partheneion.jpg
http://europe.sae.gr/iasm/iasm08.jpg
http://www.tgcom.mediaset.it/bin/429.$plit/orig_C_0_fotogallery_795_listaorizzontale_foto_0_fotoorizzontale.jpg
http://k43.pbase.com/v3/03/581203/1/46885405.25.jpg
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-06/03/xin_100601031131137249167.jpg
http://www.culture.gr/4/42/421/42101/421020/00/lm42120u.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/0816044368.01._BO2,204,203,200_PIlitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,32,-59_AA240_SH20_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
http://www.acemodels.gr/datafiles/179_17l.jpg

Modern & Ancient...notice her noise is even in a perfect straight line from forhead to tip as most ancient Greek statues of women are shown in profile:
http://www.tcs.gr/images/photo/untitled1.jpg
http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~perlman/myth/images/brauart.jpg
http://k47.pbase.com/o4/03/581203/1/55608193.Gianniotis_02.jpg
http://www.helena-paparizou.com/images/helena-paparizou-picture-47.jpg
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/image?lookup=Perseus:image:1990.26.0344
http://www.helena-paparizou.com/images/helena-paparizou-picture-73.jpg
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/hb/hb_35.11.3.jpg
http://www.info-grece.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10003/normal_paparizou_petralia_050613.jpg
http://upload.moldova.org/muzica/2005/mai/wallpaper_01_.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://www.bo.astro.it/~biblio/Vultus-Uraniae/Immagini/Urania_fig01.jpg
http://www.easynet.net/teamgb/education/gr_banners/banner_ancient.jpg
http://www.culture.gr/2/21/211/21107a/og/00/ol_fl.jpg
http://www.ancient-egypt.de/assets/images/greek_girl.jpg

Modern & Ancient
http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040726/040726_ancient_Games_hmed.hmedium.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/J/S/AphroditeKnidos-l.jpg
http://k41.pbase.com/u12/iannisrigakis/large/38352226.0408210122w.jpg
http://jesus-messiah.com/gifs/olympic.jpg

Ancient & Modern
http://www.tcs.gr/images/photo/honda_event_35.jpg
http://k47.pbase.com/u13/iannisrigakis/upload/38352233.0408170047w.jpg
http://dienekes.angeltowns.net/articles/kemp/ellinides.jpg
http://www.culture.gr/4/42/421/42101/421020/00/lm42120d.jpg
http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/image_full/greece/press/118544/199661.jpg
http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/greeks/games/ballplayer2.jpg

So that is the last I have to say about it. Goodbye


I suggest you open up a history book once in a while instead of comic books.

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However I peronsaly beleive Mitridates VI who is the one question here was possably a Grandson of Antiochus IV Epiphanes the Seleucid greek ruler who desacrated the Temple in Jerusalem leading up to the Maccabean Revolt.


The Seleucid and Mithridates Royal families intermarried among each other often, as was the case with many of the Hellenistic rulers back then. Interesting theory on the antisemic though.

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Christian Bale play Marc Anthony

Russel Crowe play Augustus Caesar


I would go for these too. Then the movie just needs two very exotic and beautiful women with perfect bodies to be casted for Cleopatra and her sister, and viola. It'll be perfect.

I don't know if Adriana Lima can even act, or even if she wants to. Gisele Bundchen did a nice attempt as an actress, but she still wasnt that good.

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Ben Affleck is a clown who's not worthy to play such a historical figure (boyish personality? No one knows what his personality was like).

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actually, she was famously plain. And Adriana is quite unattractive and not at ALL exotic. I would go with whoever else said it, Gisele. Not that Egyptian looking but she has a great bone structure and regality for it.

Ben is nice, though.

Bone, it is what it is.

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Gisele looks like a man in transition. Lima is much more beautiful and has more exotic looks. A woman who is a semi actress but is very beautiful and exotic who could play Cleopatra is Claudia Lynx. But 2 problems, she is Persian/Iranian but real lwhy should that matter when white girls have been playing Cleopatra for decades. She also fits into the "Cleopatra was stunningly beautiful" myth.

Clark Kent + Lois Lane 4ever
DC Can Suck It

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