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Cleopatra was of Macedonian Greek heritage


There's confusion about what Cleopatra looked like. Most people who don't know better have assumed Cleopatra was an ethnic Egyptian. Egyptians of the ancient world were not African blacks. That would be the Nubian people far to the south of the ancient Egyptian empire. But the Egyptians of the ancient world did have brown complexions, but they're weren't blacks in today's modern sense of the word.

People may also be confusing Cleopatra with Nefertiti, a true ethnic Egyptian woman.

Cleopatra was of Macedonian Greek ethnicity. Three hundred years earlier, upon the death of Alexander the Great (a Macedonian), one of his Macedonian generals, Ptolemy, took Egypt for himself and declared himself king. The Egyptian populace accepted their new, foreign leaders. The Ptolemy dynasty would remain more or less stable, for the next three centuries, the ruling Ptolemy family more or less ruling competently, until the Roman conquest. As far as historians know, the ruling Ptolemy family kept pure its Hellenistic Greek lineage by marriage with aristocratic Greek or Macedonian people. There were no doubt, Egyptian mistresses and concubines, but offspring of any such liasions were excluded from the throne.

Cleopatra may therefore even looked like a white-skinned woman in her thirties (she was around 38 at the time of her suicide) with dark, almost black hair. While we assume ancient Greeks and Macedonians were olive-complexioned, ancient Greek writings sometimes describe beautiful Greek women with white, very fair or alabaster skin. Pictures of modern Greek women typically show most with fair complexions, almost northern European.

I suggest taking a look on the Internet of the 19th century French painter, Jean-Andre Rixon's stylized artistic rendition of the supine, nude, Cleopatra, just minutes into her suicide. You see a white woman with creamy alabaster skin, black hair and eyebrows, as if she is sleeping. She is very fleshy and full-bodied which carries a sensous appeal of its own. Don't forget that Cleopatra had already borne four children in her life. She was 38 years old, and as queen, had continual access to good food in quantity. The Kate Moss thin figure was not the standard of feminine sexuality back then. For a man it's near-arousing to see her regal naked glory, even in recent death. But this is stylistic artist's rendition. You and I know that people who commit suicide almost always keep their clothes on. The only exception we know of are those who kill themselves while sitting in their bathtubs filled with very warm, almost hot, bath water. Artistic paintings of Cleopatra's suicide were popular in the later 19th century. Every one of those European paintings depict Cleopatra nude or almost nude. With the exception of Rixon's painting which tries to depict Cleopatra's fair-skinned, Macedonian Greek ethnicity, the other artist's renditions portray Cleopatra as a northern European female.

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Wow, people still believe this? I guess certain myths from the old off the path textbooks never die as long as the ruling power wants to continue perpetuating a certain "lighter persuasion" historical lie.

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Only the poorly educated or the uber-left, politcally-motivated still maintain the nonsensical lie that Cleopatra was black. I think it's fairly common knowledge now that she was a light-skinned Greek with auburn hair. The previous poster's reference to 'the ruling power' betrays his or her own politcal agenda...






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Only the poorly educated or the uber-left, politcally-motivated still maintain the nonsensical lie that Cleopatra was black. I think it's fairly common knowledge now that she was a light-skinned Greek with auburn hair. The previous poster's reference to 'the ruling power' betrays his or her own politcal agenda...


Agree 100%.

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I don't think she was particularly light skinned, regardless of her ethnicity living int he mediterranean was bound to give her a good Tan.

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Noblewomen of that time period did not go out in the sun. Cleopatra may have had an olive complexion, though.

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The actress in this film actually pretty close to what I think Cleopatra probably looked like, but unfortunately her performance was blah.

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Based upon what I've read of people in the area, she could have been dark or light. She was half Syrian and half Greek, I believe, and there are blonde blue eyed people from that area as well as the physical opposite of that. She could have been either, but I believe she was probably dark featured.

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Based upon what I've read of people in the area, she could have been dark or light. She was half Syrian and half Greek, I believe, and there are blonde blue eyed people from that area as well as the physical opposite of that. She could have been either, but I believe she was probably dark featured.


She wasn't dark featured, depictions of her show her to be light, nor was she half Syrian, that 'Syrian' that you are talking about was actually Greek-Macedonian part of the Seleucus Dynasty who were as Greek-Macedonian as the Ptolemies were. It was founded by another of Alexander the Great's generals Seleucus...those royals liked to keep everything among them so they usually intermarried with other Greek-Macedonian royals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seleucid_Empire

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The Seleucids unlike the Ptolemies had done some intermarrying with native Nobility.

Seleucus Nicator was an exception to the general rule, he was the only one who kept the Persian wife Alexander had made him marry as Susa, Apama who bore him at least 4 children, including his Heir Antiochus I. Another Son of her's, Acheas had decedents who had intermarried into the Royal line latter.

They also intermarried with the Mithridic Dynasty of Pontus.

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Cleopatra was probably in the middle of looking white and looking traditional African. She was not Elizabeth Taylor nor was she Michelle Obama. I give props to Cleopatra 99, for making her and her family somewhere in the middle.

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Cleopatra was probably in the middle of looking white and looking traditional African. She was not Elizabeth Taylor nor was she Michelle Obama. I give props to Cleopatra 99, for making her and her family somewhere in the middle.


Total nonsense. 1) Leonor Varela doesn't have black ancestry and 2) Cleopatra and her family were NOT 'somewhere in the middle', they were Caucasians. Neither her family the Ptolemies NOR Cleopatra had any "traditional African looks", whatever that is but if you are trying to say 'black' you are incorrect cause the Ptolemies and Cleopatra did not have black African ancestry. Cleopatra was the product of European royal inbreeding. We already know what her familiy and Cleopatra looked like cause there are plenty of depictions from their life times that exist in busts as well as coins, and the Ptolemies and Cleopatra looked like your typical inbreeding European royal family...in other words not very attractive, and Cleopatra had auburn reddish hair, btw.

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Leonor is Hispanic I think.

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I am not talking about her ethnicity I am talking about her skin color. Do not attempt to educate me on Cleopatra's family, I am very well aware she and they were Greek. My point is what did that mean at the time of Cleopatra and what did that look like. And paintings of Cleopatra don't tell us anything. If we go by paintings of Jesus or his mother they were pale white with blonde hair and blue eyes; I'm guessing poor Jews living under Romans did not look like that.

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