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jack/frank's misogyny


what do you think is the source? after all, women were the only ones who stood by him and looked after him when he was a child, whereas the primary male in his life abandoned him. does he keep his relationships with women superficial and based on sex out of fear of becoming emotionally dependent and facing another loss i.e. when his mother died?

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Maybe.

does he keep his relationships with women superficial and based on sex out of fear of becoming emotionally dependent and facing another loss like when he mother died?

Or the same first part, but replace the second with "facing being abandoned in his hour of need".

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that's helpful. thanks :)

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Also, he was profoundly damaged by the influence of his primary male role model when he was a child: his father's destructive behaviour and desertion of the family turned Jack/Frank into an emotionally stunted adult with an extremely cynical view of men. His career is the culmination of his attempt to adapt to what he sees as the inevitability of being condemned to play out the same negative role as his father because he is a man. This is underscored by Jack/Frank's monologue after he returns from the interview to lead the second half of his seminar, which explicitly says that "men are *beep* and do terrible things to women.

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I always get the feeling that Frank is acting like he thinks men should act, because he doesn't know how men should act.

He acts almost like a closet homosexual in a way (not saying he is, but has similar traits) where they become blown up caricatures of masculinity in order to prove their masculinity.

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Actually, that could easily be the answer. Too bad everyone overlooked your post.

I still think it says a lot for fatherhood when most criminals were statistically raised by single mothers. But, when you have feminists saying that fathers are poisonous to children before they're 5 years old, it really makes things harder for men to get respect.

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Not only that, but Frank's secretary Janet seemed genuinely concerned for his well-being while he was stressing out and all Frank does is yell at her (and ironically she's the same chick he's lying to and manipulating in the deleted seminar scenes). He then goes on stage and unleashes an angry, misogynistic rant.

Why is Frank lashing out at nothing but women when his father is the one he despises and his mother is the one he misses?

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and all Frank does is yell at her (and ironically she's the same chick he's lying to and manipulating in the deleted seminar scenes).


Where can I find that scene?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-q__knBahs

Enjoy!

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Thanks Angie!

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after all, women were the only ones who stood by him and looked after him when he was a child, whereas the primary male in his life abandoned him.


Men without father figures whose lives are dominated by women often become misogynists as a way of asserting their masculinity. It's an overcompensation for the lack of masculine influence and excess of feminine influence in childhood.

Along the same lines, while Obama doesn't seem like a misogynist per se, he always admired and identified more strongly with his deadbeat father than with the mother who actually raised and supported him. This emotional overcompensation is common with kids of deadbeat fathers for the same reason.

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I have a theory about Obama's admiration of his absent father and his pretty much ignoring his devoted mother and her family. To be the first black president in the history of the United States is going to make anybody feel that there is something extraordinary about themselves. Obama knew his mother and was raised by her parents and while he probably loved them, he knew that they were just ordinary people. On the other hand his father was this African statesman that he really never knew. He has deduced that his unique ability to achieve what he has must come from this absentee father.

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bama knew his mother and was raised by her parents and while he probably loved them, he knew that they were just ordinary people. On the other hand his father was this African statesman that he really never knew. He has deduced that his unique ability to achieve what he has must come from this absentee father.


You're right, it's easier to idolize somebody who you never see than the mundane flesh and blood person who you've known and lived with through most of your childhood.

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I think that's half of it. Also his father was sexist and very negative towards him, and with no male role model he didn't know how to treat women.

Though yes, I agree with you losing his mother was a big influence on him too, which is why he lied about her being alive, he yearned with all his heart for her to still be with him.

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he yearned with all his heart for her to still be with him.


Ohhh, that got to me </3
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