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What is the secret? :) POSSIBLE SPOILERS!


I didn't watch the movie but I was wondering what the SECRET was, really?


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Thanks

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I didn't see the movie, but read the book. Joe Gould was a writer, and claimed he was writing a book titled The Oral History Of The World. At the end the secret that is reavealed is that there is no book, and that Joe Gould was always writing the same 2 or 3 stories all of the time. Stories about his childhood and his relationship with his father.

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cool :)

Is there another hidden secret besides that, or that is pretty much it?

Thanks for the info!!

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First there is the secret behind the secret. Joe Mitchell identified with Gould, despite being a writer who was able to maintain a middle-class existence, in contrast to the homeless Gould. At some point he observed that "Joe Gould is me." Probably, in part, feeling that he could have descended into madness if circumstances had been different. To some extent, Mitchell was willing to believe that there was no Oral History and that Gould was a fraud because it helped him feel better about feeling (justifiably or not) like a fraud himself. Especially after he promoted the idea that Gould was writing this book and then covered it up when he later concluded there was no book. Finally, in 1964, Mitchell decided to come clean and admit that there was no book. At that point, however--and this is the secret behind the movie's secret--people contacted Mitchell to say that there was, in fact, a book, and they had part of it. It turned out that, obviously, being homeless, Gould could not keep an enormous manuscript with him, so he gave parts of it to various people. No one has, to this day, found enough of it to say it really existed, but enough to say that Mitchell's description of it as completely non-existent is inaccurate. There is a story about all of this in the 27 July 2015 issue of The New Yorker.

Some things that the movie may or may not deal with that are mentioned in the recent New Yorker piece: Gould was a stalker--after a number of people (perhaps his stalking of Mitchell is shown in the movie). One of his victims was Augusta Savage, an African-American sculptor. Gould had very peculiar ideas about race (albeit not entirely out of synch in an era when lots of people did) and was anti-Semitic, but he claimed to love black people, and, in the case of Ms. Savage, this love took a carnal turn. She was completely not interested and had a dickens of a time shaking him. Finally had to leave New York. Another thing is that Gould was friends with some famous literary figures, notably, Ezra Pound and e.e. cummings. Also, though this might belong on another thread--and not having seen the movie I don't know if they mention it, but Gould wrote articles in his younger days for The New Republic and other prominent magazines; so it isn't as if Gould never wrote anything that might make someone think he was writing a book.

Another bit of (potential?) trivia: I have not confirmed it yet, but I suspect that Joseph F. "Joe" Gould was related somehow to Col. Robert Gould Shaw, the man portrayed by Matthew Broderick in the movie "Glory."

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I think I have the answer to the Robert Gould Shaw connection. No soap, really. Looks as if Col. Shaw was Robert G. Shaw II, the first being his grandfather who was named after his own grandfather's business partner, Robert Gould. That Robert Gould might have been related to Joe Gould, but Shaw apparently was not a blood relative of Gould, at least not at that juncture. Ultimately, all of the old New England families seem to be related to each other. Colonel Shaw's sister is a great-great grandmother of Kyra Sedgwick, for example. (Hell, I'm probably distantly related to Kyra by blood through the Peabodys ((and maybe through the Dwights, too)) and by adoption through the Minots.)

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