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A Roman General that has never been to Rome?


Roman historians may be able to clear up this puzzlement.

1. From the movie, Maximus even though he was a Roman General had never been to Rome until he was captured as a slave. Aurelius said as much to him when he offered him to lead Rome. I find it puzzling. Was it usual for Roman Generals or soldiers to have never visited Rome? It means that if Maximus had never been captured as a slave, it is likely he would never have visited Rome in his life.

2. And if Maximus had never visited Rome, how would he have had an affair with Commodos's sister who most likely would have spent all her life in Rome?

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There is a clue to your question in one of the screenplay's earliest draft (http://www.angelfire.com/movies/ridleyscott/script/gladiator_seconddraft.txt). It appears Maximus and Lucilla met in Capri, presumably during one of the Felix Legion's campaign in Italy.

LUCILLA: Do you know I still remember you in my prayers...? Oh yes, I pray... Ever since that day you saved me from drowning off Capri. Do you remember?

MAXIMUS: Yes.

LUCILLA: Commodus was so angry that a mere peasant -- a Spaniard no less -- touched the royal person, do you remember his anger?

MAXIMUS: Yes.

LUCILLA: Mark this, Maximus: that is the man who will be Emperor.

MAXIMUS: May I be permitted to go, Highness?

She smiles sadly.

LUCILLA: There was a time when you didn't call me "Highness."

MAXIMUS: And there was a time when you were just a little girl drowning in the sea. All that was a different life.

LUCILLA: (quietly) Very different... I wonder if it was better?

MAXIMUS: It was more honest.





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Thank you. It really helps a lot. So does it mean that Maximus was a Spaniard and not a Roman? And does it explain why Maximus never visited Rome until he became a gladiator? This takes me back to my first question. Was it usual for Roman generals never to visit Rome?

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The movie was set in 180AD. At the time, the Roman Empire was just several decades past (circa 117AD) its peak size of about 2 million square miles after the massive military campaign of Emperor Trajan. So it is entirely conceivable for a soldier from the Iberian Peninsula to have never gone to Rome before - especially considering that horses, even on flat grasslands, average only about 30 miles a day.

However, Maximus' presence in Naples does beg the question of why he didn't go to Rome, since Naples lies further south of the Roman capital. I guess the plot demands for Maximus to be pure from the politicking of the Roman Senate.

Edit: A rough map for visualization: https://i.imgur.com/EcYlYsE.png

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I think the movie plays fast a loose with Roman military commands and their often closely bound political leadership.

Typically in a campaign like this there would have been a Roman Consul serving as the high commander of the legions. This was part of the political process of Rome where a Consul was usually put in charge of a military force where they worked to expand the empire and gain treasure for themselves.

Someone like Maximus may have had an important practical command responsibility within the legions, but most likely would not have been the supreme military commander second only to the Emperor, there would more likely have been a Consul of Rome as the titular leader of the armies.

Because of the close relationship between legionary commands and political office, it seems unlikely that Maximus is merely a military figure without any experience with Rome as a city or its politics. At a minimum if he does not hold political office he is an ally operating under the patronage of an influential Roman politician, if not a Consul, especially considering the importance of this campaign to the Emperor.

It's possible that the Emperor made Commodus the nominal political figurehead for this battle or claimed that role for himself but entrusted the actual military command to Maximus, but it seems unlikely that even then Maximus would have been some relatively unknown quantity from the provinces who was given that command. Even if he rose in the ranks as some provincial legionary he would have surely spent some time in Rome before he achieved a higher command.

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