Scottish cultural question?
What does it mean to hold up your two fingers at someone? Is it like flipping someone off in America?
shareWhat does it mean to hold up your two fingers at someone? Is it like flipping someone off in America?
shareYeah, over here it's just a different way of giving someone the finger!
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In the Middle Ages when England and France were often at war, all men in England were obliged by law to practice archery regularly, which paid off in battles like Agincourt when the French were decisively beaten by English archers. If the French captured any archers they would cut off their first and second fingers to stop them drawing the bow, so sticking up two fingers is traditionally a sign made by the English to their French enemies, sort of saying "we can still fire arrows at you". It is now a general-purpose offensive gesture.
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Yea that explanation is a pile of *beep*, entertaining as it is.
shareIn Britain they call it the V for Victory, the archery fact is correct. There is a famous photo of Winston Churchill making this sign. It's used in Scotland, England, Ireland and Wales. It's much more fun to flash than the finger...
shareactually the v for victory sign is different,with the palm of hand towards the viewer,where as, the two fingered derogatoty gesture is with the back of hand towards the viewer.
sharethe v for victory shows the palm of the hand,,,the "finger" shows the back of the hand
shareThe archery explanation is quite correct, but colloquially the gesture (when accompanied by a vigorous upward thrust of the fingers) is understood to mean simply *beep* Off!"
shareNo it isn't
The gesture was unknown till the early years of the 20th Century
The archery explanation is quite correct,
its just the same as giving someone the finger in amnerica.
"I'm not a complete idiot, some parts are missing!"
The whole thing about the archers and their fingers is a total myth, good story tho it is. As for the 'V' for Victory during WW2, Winston Churchill made the sign with his palm facing himself - so it often looks like an offensive gesture, although most at the time made the 'V' with the palm outwards to avoid confusion.
shareGentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!
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