Ok so after like 10 years I watched this movie again and I'm just wondering, Colonel killed Lester right? Most likely he did but I just want to be sure cuz idk, Corolyn wanted to kill him as well! :)
shareThink REAL motive.
Who do you say now?
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Near the end, you can briefly see the Colonel in his shirt splattered with (Lester's) blood.
how do you KNOW it was Lester's blood?
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Well, one can't be 100% sure ofcourse, but from whom (or what) else would it be? Barbara's?
Also,
The empty slot showing in the Colonel's gun cabinet. Granted, this doesn't irrefutably prove that he, himself wielded it, since Ricky had a key as well (nor does it prove that the missing gun was in fact the one used for the murder).
However -
*It couldn't have been Ricky or Jane, as they were upstairs, in her bedroom, when they heard the shot
*Angela was in the bathroom when it happened
*Buddy had no motive, as far as I can tell. Neither did the Jims, or Brad
So, I guess it boils down to either the Colonel or Carolyn.
To be honest, I didn't pay a lot of attention to the type of gun that we see being pointed at the back of Lester's head, nor to any of the guns seen in the movie, for that matter. Did Carolyn and the Colonel both own the same type of gun?
A far stretch might be, that Ricky hired a hitman to kill Lester, but I have the impression that Ricky was actually sympathetic to Lester, and he just doesn't seem like the kind of guy to do anything like that, anyway (though he sure would have the cash to pay for it).
From the "Trivia" section:
Another version of the script [...] involves Mrs. Fitts finding her husband's bloody clothes, and hiding them immediately after.
Buddy had no motive
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"But you WILL remember me next time"
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Could you please elaborate? I may be missing something, but I honestly see no reason why Buddy would want to kill Lester.
Even if Buddy was lying to Carolyn about having ended his relationship with (uhm, forgot her name), he did dump Carolyn, after all. Even if he hadn't done that, Lester was clearly dealing laconically with the situation when he 'caught' them; he obviously didn't give a damn.
What I mean to say is: Lester hardly had any 'dirt' on Buddy, and Buddy knew that even if Lester would have, he wouldn't hold it against him anyway. Sure, they didn't like eachother, at all, but merely disliking someone is not enough of a reason to kill somebody. Even for Buddy. Why would he risk his pretty succesful life and career to off someone that briefly slighted him and poses no danger to him at all? I don't buy it.
Go back to see the King and Ms B at lunch and his Family Law upcoming losses WITHOUT any dirt - then ADD the dirt and he comes out with nothing.
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No offense intended, but I don't quite get why some people are confused about the ending of this movie. It has always been pretty clear to me that Lester was shot by Colonel Fitts. He'd finally gotten the guts to come out of the closet, yet was immediately rejected by the one man he'd chosen to come out to. His mind was blown at that point and it was too much for him to handle, so he snapped and shot Lester. We are clearly shown him scurrying back home frantic with blood on himself.
I always got the impression from the film that Carolyn showed up immediately after the murder and found her dead husband seated at the table with his life oozing out of his head (the same way Ricky had), which is why we are shown the shot of her in the closet falling apart and embracing Lester's clothes; she had spent the last few months of his life foolishly convincing herself that she despised him to the point of wanting him dead, yet actually seeing him dead made her realize she still loved him despite everything. She didn't kill him. She just found him dead. Colonel Fitts inadvertently saved her from the awful fate of killing a man she actually loved.
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I agree with everything you say, that's exactly how I saw the ending of the movie, too.
shareCept he did not die coz there was no white line around his body
that happens in all the best CI episodes when a bloke dies
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well I think colonel killed him because he only knew his gay secret or I think the colonel wife killed him, as she was little mental and heard that lester ruined her house, she went nuts and killed lester in front of her husband as he was trying to protect lester maybe his gay crush that's why protecting him but he was too late to safe him.
shareColonel Fitts literally killed him. Carolyn metaphorically had already killed him.
shareCarolyn metaphorically had already killed him
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Yes, as we saw at dinner table at start where BOTH Caroline and Brat "kill him"
BUT the movie explains how he totally ROSE from that and had a clear path to his own future, even with a dolly bird for sex and to drive in the mustang
then the fag killed him, just as his whole life [and divorce money] was coming together.
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Yes. Watch it again to see how and when the audience knows this.
shareHow is this even a discussion?
It was Colonel Fitts, period. The only other person it would have been is Corolyn. We know Corolyn didn't do it because they show where she was when the shot is fired, she is walking in the rain.
First they show Jane and Ricky when they hear the shot, then they show Angela when she hears the shot, then they show Carolyn walking in the rain, it's not as loud because she's outside in the rain and she doesn't hear it, but we do.
As far as if it could have been anyone else....that's moronic.
Along with the evidence of the gunshot sound, there is very clear visual evidence that shows the Colonel is the killer.
Although Carolyn's gun looks similar, it is not the gun used in the killing.
at 1:00:03, we see the murder weapon in the Colonel's gun cabinet.
at 1:13:38/58, we see Carolyn's gun.
at 1:36:45, we again see Carolyn's gun.
at 151:25, we see the murder weapon again.
In the closing montage, we see the Colonel walk past his gun cabinet and the murder weapon is missing.
weapon is missing....
not sure how much more obvious they could make this. not sure why ANYONE would even suspect or MAKE UP an alternative. They drive the point home, hard and obvious, in the movie. there is no ALTERNATIVE POSSIBLE perception. Silly talks going on here.
I suspect these people are either screwing with people or they think they are geniuses and therefore discovered some nuance that does not actually exist. The movie left no ambiguity over who killed lester.
shareyep. these are the times of "I'm going to over think all movies, oh, and halfway through it became a dream and nothing past then was real" even when there is ZERO inside the movie to support. I'm tired of people's "What if...." tacked on to already completed movies...
what if Lester was secretly gay?
what if his wife didn't really exist and was all in his mind?
what if this whole movie was really just Ricky's drug induced fantasy and he is still at the correctional institute????
we're so dumb now. :)
I remeber back on the Imdb board there was a debate on the star wars prequels and how bad they were. One defender of the prequels would write these ridiculously long and detailed theisis style papers describing how the was some high level nuance in practically every scene. One newcomer to the debate applauded the persons attempt but explained that he was seeing things that were not there and that the directors were not trying to create dmsuch detail in the films.
He went on to explain how a director of a short film intentionally had a random animal walk pass the screen in one scene to see how the audience would interpret it simply for his own amusment. But the point was that people see things in art that even the creator never intended to insert into the plot.
And people are absolutely entitled to make up whatever they like or feel about movies. But to tell us THAT is how it is REALLY meant is a silly waste. :)
share*beep* scared of LESTER coming forward about closet HOMOSEXUAL FRANK( who's been hiding in the closet his whole life, hence his homophobic ways!) it was indeed FRANK FITTS THAT killed LESTER. The reply shows all this ie thora and guy upstairs, fit lass upstairs re applying her make up. Caroline walking towards the door. It's the cornel lol
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