view of America


The director has never been to America, and states he'll probably never go there because of his phobia of flying. The movie was filmed in Sweden.

Is this his view of America? Where policemen have no dignity, innocent foreigners are guilty of things they didn't do, and prisons and death sentences and above all else HOLLYWOOD the place to dance and sing?
What about his other films like the "USA: Land of opportunities" trilogy. Dogville takes place in the Rocky mountains and focuses on rape and power hunger. Manderlay is in Alabama and focuses on slavery and black suppression. I can only guess what Washington is going to have in it.

Some say von Trier had no right to make this film, and others have really criticized Dogville and Manderlay. But that's exactly how life is in America. It's a money hungry, lawyer driven, death sentencing country, where innocent people are the biggest victims. The director has every right to show his view on America through symbolism and art.

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I agree with you!

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The US setting had nothing to do with the core of the movie imo.

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I have to disagree with you there. It's an obvious statement against capitalism which would make America the perfect setting.

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How the hell this country dare to proclaim itself the quintessence of freedom, justice and the ultimate civilization while they still keep on appling death penalty?
Wake up, we live in the XXI century! I'm glad and proud to be european. Maybe we're not an empire, but I think we have humility.

A brilliant film with a great message.

Love.

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"Wake up, we live in the XXI century! I'm glad and proud to be european. Maybe we're not an empire, but I think we have humility."

What a joke! In twenty years there will be a Muslim majority in Europe and a little thing called Sharia law is sure to follow. I'm curious what you will think of Europe then? You will probably want to high tail it over to that evil empire "America" as fast as you can.

Do a little research on the future of Europe and you'll see it looks bleak, I suggest reading "While Europe Slept" by Bruce Bawer. If you think the US is the real threat to humanity that's your problem, but it's you who truly need to wake up!

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"What a joke! In twenty years there will be a Muslim majority in Europe and a little thing called Sharia law is sure to follow."

this is what i can call islamophobia , i guess those Muslims will have mass destructive weapons as well, don't you want to say that?!
western societies are justifying their ugly war against Muslims by some lies driven by some zionists .
ok , lets face it, you Zionists want to create the kingdom of jews in Palestine, no matter how much casualties it will take, no matter how much people will get killed ,kicked out of their land and became refugees and you have to justify it, so you have to attack Islam every where.
i urge you to visit these sites:

h__p://www.jewsnotzionists.org/ ---------- owned by a non biased jew lawyer
h__p://www.reopen911.org/ ---------- owned by intellectual Americans

the real joke is, that 3 or 4 muslim countries (out of dozens) at most are applying sharia laws, so how will some immigrants who are highly influenced by the western culture will bring sharia to Europe ?!!----------> thats islamophobia

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You make accusations of Islamophobia and then in the very same post make anti-semitic remarks and bash the Jews. Can anyone say hippocracy?

"3 or 4 muslim countries (out of dozens) at most are applying sharia laws"

To say that only a few are doing it instead of many is a lame excuse, if you talk to Muslims in Europe they are anxiously waiting for the day that sharia becomes the law of the land. By the way do a little research and you will see that honor killings and suicide bombings have happened in Europe. So much for your myth that those things won't be imported to Europe and North America.

Again to you I say wake up!

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obviously you neglected my attached 2 links, i am not bashing jews , i am bashing zionists, not only by me, but by another non biased jew.
again here is the link:
h__p://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
can you call him hypocritical too ? can you call him anti-semitic too ?!!
i guess this makes my point
as i said before Zionists (using America) are pushing all the world especially Europe against Islam so they would close their eyes of what is happening in the occupied arab lands,
when intellectual non biased artists like Lars von Trier present the evilness of the U.S policy in their work they got accusations such as "anti American",
why don't you see your policy and how it jeopardizes the whole world instead of throwing false accusations.

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No one would have this conversation if the movie was directed by American director. Period. Now somebody outside US does it and everybody takes this as an anti US movie.. great, what a narrow view of things you have.

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The idea of "Zionists controlling America" is based in paranoid conspiracy theories about secret Jewish world domination. Needless to say, these are Antisemitic ideas. And just because a Jew says it doesn't mean it can't be Antisemitic. I've run across many a Jewish Skinhead.

,Said the Shotgun to the Head--
Saul Williams

www.myspace.com/ohhorrorofhorrors

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Why must you impose your views on others? If you believe all Muslims follow the Sharia law, I am more than happy to introduce you to one who will not. :)

This film is a blatant attack on America. Although I'm an immigrant, I don't believe that all cops are corrupt and all refugees are innocent / vulnerable. There is no absolute in human nature.

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you, sir, are a class A Idiot!

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I'm going to print out your post, haji, put it in a metal box and bury it in my garden. In 20 years, I will dig it up and show everyone I know, and give them all a good laugh.

It's not that I don't think extremist Islam is a threat to our way of life, but your worldview seems a little paranoid and one-sided. It's the same everywhere, the Muslims think we want nothing more than to go over there than pave over their cities and replace their temples with Wal-Marts and McDonalds, whereas we're paranoid they're all going to all come over and tear down the Statue of Liberty and turn Westminster Abbey into a mosque. Neither will happen, we'll just continue to blow the heck out of each other for a few more years, then after a while the problem won't go away completely, but it will go on the back burner eventually while someone else becomes the bad guy of the month for a while (maybe the Chinese or someone else). Historically, that's the way it usually goes.

I'm not saying America sucks, I'm just saying it has its bad sides (culturally imperialist superpower) as well as the good (land of the free, etc. etc.). You don't have to hate something to criticise it.

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Wake up, we live in the XXI century! I'm glad and proud to be european. Maybe we're not an empire, but I think we have humility."


And we all know that European countries have no history of empire-building or being made part of someone else's empire.


If Europe has humility, it's because it's been humbled so many times. That is not intended as an insult but as a matter of history. It's generally forgotten that the US is still a very young nation, and I'm sure that over time we will be humbled as well. It's not something I wish to see in my lifetime. But I never thought I would see a foreign attack on the mainland US, and that's come to pass.

At least the poster is openly proud of being from Europe, though I don't know if he means his home country or Europe in general. Either way, he appreciates his home, and that is a very good thing, imo, and worthy of respect.






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WyzeGal # 10

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This film takes place in the 60s. I am pretty confident she would not have gotten the death penalty in modern day.

My three favorite films (order changes): Vertigo, Taxi Driver, and 2001: A Space Odyssey

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I wouldn't say against capitalism, for it was because of capitalism she made the money to cure her son and she came to America for it had the hospitals that could cure him and of course she loved our musicals. If there is any anti-capitalism motifs, they are too subtle that I don't notice them, perhaps you could elaborate. I think if anything it is more of a satire against the justice system, while being a moving story about true love and how far some are willing to go. Throw in also a mix of anti-xenophobia which was evident throughout the film.

HI F-ING YA
Nicholas Cage Deadfall

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well, i did not interpret it like that, i think the movie was symbolic in a much wider way, what i understood (may be i am wrong) is that the policeman in the movie represented USA , we all can see that USA now is the "only" cop of the world, Selma represented other struggling nations who are trying to achieve something in this world even with her blindness (metaphor of underdeveloped "economically and scientifically" nations) , when the policeman found himself endangered economically he steals Selma's money/labor to MAINTAIN HIS STYLE OF LIVING albeit this would destroy all hope that her child may be cured from his blindness (again metaphor), he also frames her as to be the convict referring to the huge media machine serving the U.S.

EDT :anyway , i loved this movie and sure rated it 10

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Oh come on, I live in America and don't tell me that this story could never happen. Poor working conditions, not getting the health care you need, the death penalty; are all part of America's landscape.

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View of America good or bad. I get his message but I just think the director did a awful job in presenting it.

To far fetched events and situations. I do believe that the outcome is possible, but leading up to it unrealistic.

First film where I really didn't care about the main Character because of the size of her brain the writer gave her.

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¨that's exactly how life is in America. It's a money hungry, lawyer driven, death sentencing country, where innocent people are the biggest victims. The director has every right to show his view on America through symbolism and art.¨

TOTALLY AGREE!! THAT WAS EXACTLY MY OPINION WHEN I SAW THIS MOVIE AND NOW LIBING IN AMERICA THIS FILM IS THE MOST ACCURATE AND CLOSE TO REALITY OF THIS COUNTRY EVER MADE.

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I was born and raised here in the U.S.A., and I too went to Elementary School and graduated the 12th grade, in a public school education where students are brainwashed that America rules the world, and our way is the only right way in the world, and our so-called "Democracy" is the law of all enlightened humankind. I dread America and agree with other people in the world who share the view that this is an evil country. America proclaims freedom of religion and speech, but persecutes people who try to practice either, with impunity and torture of barbaric proportions. The poor here are confronted with, or surrounded by wealth beyond belief every day, with no hope of ever sharing any of the spoils of wealth we are tempted to labor away our lives for, like slaves. Our disabled and elder adults live in squalor beyond belief, with medical care that encourages an enourmous suicide culture. Our entertainment and news keeps us docile and indoctrinated, repeating stupid phrases over and over which mean nothing, like, "they hate us for our freedom."

Here's one dumb American who would gladly leave these borders, but I live with life-threatening illness which makes such a journey impossible. Now all the patriots will respond to this my post with vile hate and pitiful sayings which they get from propaganda videos played on "news" television and war movies, quoted by their fictional heros. They will think they are clever and self-important for repeating this thoughtless drivel. They are too stupid to create a response which they used a creative process to manufacture themself. That's why all of our art looks like paint by number garbage.

Before the Democratic National Convention in Denver Colorado, the Denver Police went to several art galleries who were on the route presidential nominee Barack Obama would pass on his way to the Pepsi Center, where the convention was held August 2008. The police spray-painted on the sides of at least three or four art gallery buildings I know of, which had art painted on the outside walls, totally concealing the walls under spray-paint, what took days to create, destroyed in a matter of minutes. They spray-painted over the art to protect Barack Obama from seeing it while traveling in his limousine to the convention. The art would harm Obama and Democratic Convention attendees how? After the Convention, the City Council told the police they had to use tax funds to compensate the art gallery owners for destroying their art. Now this is a small example, and the victims were not seriously harmed. But it is one story that the news will quickly bury, you better Google it, check the Denver Post, Rocky Mountain News, Denver Daily News, or Denver's television station websites, before their printed stories and videos are deleted from the news archives. The propaganda machine will try to bury this story before it can be etched on to everyone's memory.

I am embarrassed what people around the world must think when they consider America, and the people like myself who live here. We all don't think and act the same, I wish people would know that, but we will likely all be disliked the same, it's just in our human nature to do that when evaluating people living in a different region from ourselves. I am ashamed to admit I behave American a lot of the time, it is how I was brainwashed all of my life. I take comfort in the fact that most Americans (and people in general) don't like me anymore, so I know I must be doing something right.

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I think after the results of this recent election, I feel slightly less embarrassed to be an American. But I really think the movie is interesting because it portrays an outsider's view of the United States.

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Why on earth has everyone got an idea that this movie said every cop is a rotten cop? Jeez, are you guys that stupid?

It is completely COMPLETELY irrelevant! God I hate internet.

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I hear ya... people get offended by just about everything here... "Oh my god, there is a silly dog in this American movie, the moviemakers are trying to say that all American dogs are silly!!!"

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I think after the results of this recent election, I feel slightly less embarrassed to be an American.



That's okay, I'll be plenty embarrassed for you that you're an American.
Stupid ingrate. This is your *beep* HOME.

I know of no other country who has so many natives falling all over themselves to apologize for their homeland.
No other nation on earth has such spineless idiots living within its borders.










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WyzeGal # 10

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...yes...Dogville is about power hunger and rape...keep talking out of your ass...

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