Strongest of the trilogy?


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Weakest. The rushed post-production schedule really shows in the rather shoddy editing and FX work and Jackson being given more creative control by this point led to some very questionable decision making.

I also think they dropped the ball on the script here with stuff like Frodo sending Sam home, Arwen dying for no reason, the Army of the Dead wiping away the forces at Minas Tirith etc...

Basically I think the first two had a real lived-in historical fantasy feel with a certain subtlety and focus on smaller character moments while this one is much more a loud, dumb, CGI ridden action flick.

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Could not have summed it up better. Thank you sir.

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Couldn't agree more, the editing is weak and we see the beginning of the terrible slow meandering pacing and misguided emphasis that made the "Hobbit" movies so terrible. Did PJ lose the services of a really good film editor around that time? Or a producer who could tell him "No, forget about that cool detail and get on with the story!"?

I think my least favorite thing about this film is Aragorn's speech to the troops: where he says that yes they're facing overwhelming odds and yes he's scared too. Which is taken from the book but put in the wrong place, Aragorn's said that to his army long before the battle, when they were approaching Mordor and they were all starting to get scared. Which is great if the soldiers are working up to a battle but terrible as one is about to start - at the Black Gate they needed to hear that they had a chance! Whick kind of typifies PJ when he goes off the rails - diligently using stuff from the source material, and totally missing what made it work there.

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Dropped the ball on the script?
All the actions that the characters do in this film are from the book
Jackson didn't decide to do that

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All the actions that the characters do in this film are from the book

Well... no. I already listed some examples of stuff he made up I thought didn't work.

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I like Fellowship best but all 3 are great : not much difference between a 9, a 9.5 and a 10.

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I like the FOR and the TT more than the ROK. The latter has too much CGI as opposed to the former.

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Well, obviously this one has the big emotional payoff which affects our perceptions. As for the script following the book, as noted above this one may make the biggest departures although the other two take plenty of liberties.

A certain fatigue seems to have set in along with the knowledge that this would be a guaranteed "hit". That said, I'll happily watch it again.

For my money FotR was the best film of the three.

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Two Towers still impresses me on rewatches. I can never forget the greatest battle sequence in the history of cinema, it was beautifully shot and Gimli and Legolas bonded.

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The Two Towers was the strongest, in my mind.
I always try to judge these movies from the perspective of the non-book reader.
The Two Towers strenght:

1. The character development was better-we learn a ton about Aragorn. The relationship between Frodo and Sam solidifies, Middle Earth is developed further-Ents, the scope of the war, Saruman and wizards in general, and we learn much more about orcs et al.

2. The action is better than Return of the King. Don't get me wrong; the battle for Minas Tirith is awesome, but the battle for Helms Deep is more personal. Helms Deep is where Aragorn becomes, in my opinion, a true leader, and Theodan is introduced as a massive hero.

3. Better storytelling. Return of the King just lacks pacing. For instance, the deciding factor of the Minas Tirith battle is Aragorn arriving with the army of the dead. That whole scenario cries out for more screen time, and better development as to why Aragorn himself was so pivotal. Also, the time sequencing is more accurate in Two Towers, I think.
A lot of dead time in Return; lots of characters looking into each others eyes, tear-jerking moments....Two Towers had some, but it was much less.

Loved the series, just watched the entire thing over 2 days again, still love it.

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This^^^

I was about to write up all my reasons to express why I thought that The Two Towers was not only the best film in this trilogy but one of my favorite motion pictures of all time then afredfan went and did it for me. Nice job ;P

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Definitely the best of the three.

Regardless of what technical flaws it has (and I don't think there are many since all three films are among the greatest cinematic marvels ever made), it's the most emotionally powerful, the most exciting, and the most just plain fun of the three films.

Nothing in the previous two comes close to the adrenaline rush of the charge of the Rohirrim at Pellenor Fields, I liked the Army of the Dead being involved in the finale of the battle, and the movie heightened all of the genre-bending awesomeness that made the first two so great. Aragorn's speech at the Black Gate and his "for Frodo" moment before the charge are my favorite moments of his from the trilogy. ROTK is the pinnacle of epic, climactic filmmaking for me, much more satisfying than its predecessors.

I agree that Frodo sending Sam home was a rather poor storytelling decision, but I can find some things I dislike about nearly any film ever made, including the all time greats.

It was a satisfying wrap up to the series that really got me interested in the technical/aesthetic side of movies and made me interested in all different genres by showing me the best of each of them.

As for this one being such a "CGI-fest," it didn't have much more CGI than the previous films did, the fact that it seems like it did and the film is so much larger scaled without a whole lot more money being used demonstrates how effectively the budget was used here.

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Yes, definitely the strongest. So many epic scenes, like the Lighting of the Beacons and the Charge of the Rohirrim.

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Fellowship is the strongest if only because it is our introduction to Middle-Earth, like the start of a love affair. That is an insurmountable advantage. Fellowship also has what I think is the single greatest scene among the three films: The Flight To The Ford. Not a kitchen-sink-ed, repetitive, bloated and boring "fight" scene, but a scene of what was, essentially, a lone mother fighting for her child, fleeing on horseback from all nine Nazgul, arrayed behind her like a large squadron of fighter jets, their snorting steeds' hooves POUNDING, the Operatic soundtrack swelling. The framing of the cinematography and the editing are tantamount to brilliant, and it climaxes with the victory of courage and magic over Evil. That scene is a story in itself.

Having said that, I love all three segments of The Lord of the Rings. As much as the books? No, because the human imagination of their readers slips the bonds of cinema. Nonetheless, I love all three cinema works (even though TROTK film pretty much overlooks The Scouring Of The Shire segment of JRR Tolkien's novel whence the film is derived), because they tell a complete story. Pick, if you must, your favor third of the tale; and keep in mind that TLOTR is categorically NOT a trilogy, so this topic's title is misinformed at best, ignorant, at worst. Tolkien wrote ONE BOOK, that the publisher chopped into three segments. A true trilogy, like Asimov's Foundation trilogy (Foundation, Foundation And Empire, Second Foundation), comprises three novels, each of which is complete in itself (introduction, rising action, climax, denouement), which, when linked together, tell us a larger story. TLOTR, Star Wars, The Hobbit, are NOT TRILOGIES. They are three-part series. The segments do not matter. The story matters.

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