what on earth is wrong with Sinbad?


Why is Sinbad a white person? He was an Arab. Why do americans have a hero to be white so the wide audience can relate. It's amazingly stupid

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/\ I was almsot in tears laughing so hard at that...

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Really? Perhaps Americans should be the model of the world. Invading countries without any real justification and ingnoring the international community. Or should the model be american soldiers torturing Iraqi prisoners without any charges.



Perhaps you should be more informed before you make stupid comments like that.

Lastly, why is today's world relevant to the movie Sinbad? Sinbad is an Arab tale. If the American audience can't relate to an Arab like Sinbad then don't make any movies based on his adventures. The problem is American's cannot relate to anyone who isn't white. Moviemakers have this racist view that white people are somehow more superior than other races.

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guys, you have to finish reading the sentence to get the meaning. pgbrush is expressing that most movie goers are prejudice, and let's face it, that's not a wrong assessment. At the very least, most marketers work on stereotypes -- and isn't that what movies are now-a-days? A marketing machine to sell products?

Of course the American-centric mass media does get tiresome for those wanting another point of view, but that's my opinion....

Besides, he looks rather dark.

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lets break it down. he makes two statements. one is that moviegoers are of a prejudiced kind and think whatever he said...which is kinda right

and in the other he says sinbad is white probably cuz arabs is an enemy of the world... to which ill say: dude i think u lowered my IQ by 10... actually make it 20

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Transphilvania your my hero. As for Pgbrsh your a Typical brainwashed American moron.

"Then every son of Troy shall die" - Brian cox

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You are unbelievably ignorant. Sinbad was an Arab and if you have such a low opinion of them, why did you watch this feature? It is all about the cultures of the Middle East.

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He really was not a 'white person'............if you see him next to Proteus you can see the difference. He definetly has more middle eastern features than Proteus and the king. Or are you mad that the voice was done by a white person?

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I am not particularly upset the voice was done by a white person. After all, you can't decide based on a voice which nationality from which it originates.

i don't quite understand why there are greek gods in a story about Arabs?

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I've seen this film and I can honestly say I don't think Sinbad has the features of someone who is white. He's clearly darker than a "white" character would be. He also has really dark hair and eyes. If you compare him to the other characters in the film, you can probably assume he isn't white because his skin color isn't very different from theirs. The production notes from the official website even mention the fact that Sinbad is an Arabian tale. He's obviously not white. I guess I understand how you can mistake him for being white since he is voice by someone who is white...but I don't really understand why you would think he was white from seeing the film alone. Perhaps you think he isn't dark enough? Nevermind...here are some production notes from the official website:

http://www.sinbad-themovie.com/

SETTING SAIL
For generation after generation, the name Sinbad has evoked images of swashbuckling adventures on the high seas. Born more than a thousand years ago in the ancient tales of The Arabian Nights, Sinbad has come to the big screen before, most notably in Ray Harryhausen's cult classic stop-motion animated films. However, the state-of-the-art tools of today's traditional animation have allowed Sinbad to be brought to the screen as never before in "Sinbad: Legend of the Seven Seas."
Producer Jeffrey Katzenberg offers, "Sinbad is one of those epic hero characters we all grew up with, but his story has never been told in animation, and the opportunity to do something fresh, with a contemporary sensibility, was very exciting. Telling the Sinbad tale also allowed us to create an incredibly breathtaking world full of fantastic monsters. That's the fun of animation-to take an audience to places unlike anything they've ever seen before."
To craft the script, the filmmakers turned to a writer who was no stranger to bringing epic heroes of the past to the screen: John Logan, the writer of the Oscar(r)-winning Best Picture "Gladiator."
"After the phenomenal success of 'Gladiator,' we thought, who better to adapt the legend of Sinbad?," says Katzenberg. "John set out to take this rich mythology and reinvent it in a way that would make it a compelling story for a 21st-century audience, and I think he really accomplished that for us."
Having never worked on an animated film before, John Logan recalls that he was intrigued by the story possibilities, but at the same time admits, "I had no idea what to expect. Jeffrey Katzenberg-who, by the way, is quite the con man-asked me if I would like to write an animated movie. I said, 'Well, I really don't know much about it.' He assured me, 'It's really fun; you'll have a great time doing this,' knowing full well the 'fun' would take four years of my life," Logan laughs.
"But I must say it was incredible fun," the writer continues. "I grew up on those classic Sinbad movies with Ray Harryhausen's stop-motion animation monsters, and I have always loved pirate movies with all that swashbuckling action. What guy doesn't? So to get to play in that realm for a while was really exciting. Animation is also incredibly liberating because it gives a writer absolute freedom to explore the most fantastical worlds. In live action, there's always a nagging thought in the back of my mind that if I write that 10,000 soldiers come over the hill, somebody has to cast them, somebody has to wardrobe them, somebody has to shoot them, and there has to be a hill. But in animation, if I write that a 100-foot sea monster rises from the waves and jumps over the ship, I know it can happen."
Logan also appreciated the level of teamwork that comes with working on an animated film, saying, "I was the beneficiary of some incredible talents because the act of writing 'Sinbad' was actually one of collaboration with the producers, directors, animators, story editors, artists, the voice talent... It was like electricity in that room; wonderful things emerged as we all tried different takes on the material."
Producer Mireille Soria notes, "We started with the Sinbad legend and then brought in different elements of mythology that we felt worked with the story. There is action and romance, but at its core is a tale of friendship based on the Greek fable of Damon and Pythius, about one friend who is willing to sacrifice his life for the other."
Director Patrick Gilmore expounds, "We cast a really wide net out to different mythologies to find what we thought were the greatest adventures and the coolest monsters to test our hero, but the thread that runs through the story is a test of friendship. In our story, Sinbad is reunited with his friend Proteus after having been estranged for about 10 years. Yet, when Sinbad gets into trouble, Proteus steps forward and puts his own life on the line for his old friend. What will Sinbad-this thief who is used to having the freedom to do anything he wants in life-do? Will he run for the horizon, or will he risk his life for his friend?"

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Sinbad isnt portrayed as white. His friend is though. Basically without exagerating the features and going all sterotypical then gave him a lighter tone but they didnt potray him as white...............................





































In other words all of what i said was bs and its clear they made him white.

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this is a ticking time bomb of political debate. (or at least it should be, because if no one is offended by anything that has been said here we have a serious problem.)
sinbad is white in this movie, they changed the story to be based in greece, and in reality it's because there is a lot of anti-middle eastern sentiments in america today. and the movie targeted children, children believe (young children anyway) what they're told about good and evil. so when american children are being told by the news and their parents that middle eastern and arab peoples are the enemy those children are less likely to be drawn to a middle easter hero. from a purely marketing perspective, thats probably why they did change sinbad's orgin. it sux, it's wrong, it should be changed because it's a hurtful stareotype, but thats marketing.

but that first comment was a hurtful and horrible generalization about all arab people. pgbrush's post. thats what's perpetuating this atrocious generalization and stareotype. everyone hates america because america acts as if it were the ruler of the universe, what's white is good, minority is bad. we think we've come a long way sinse the civil rights conflicts of the mid 20th century but in reality white america has just found a new group of people to hate.

oh and b4 anyone starts yelling at me because of my criticism of america saying i don't know anything about the terrorist attacks and things like that. i live in nyc so i know about being scared of threats. but i'm not out there blaming a general group of people am i?

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It was a decent movie.

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It was a decent movie.

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Damn. I'm too late for the controversy, aren't I? C'est la vie. At anyrate, was anyone else irked by the clichéd feel of the movie? I mean.. first there was a pirate. Red bandana, goatee, love for mischief... Then there's an honorable man in the royal navy. He has a fiancee.. (a girl with romantic notions about the open sea), and he's in love with her. So much, that he even proposes, when he really doesn't have to. She, of course, doesn't have the chance to give him her answer. And then the pirate shows up and everything's in chaos (appropriately). Somehow she ends up on said pirates' beloved ship.. She falls in love. And in the end, a public execution is thwarted, and the honorable navy man tells his girl to go with her heart.. despite knowing it doesn't belong to him. The fact that Terry Rossio, and Ted Elliot were creative consultants for this movie doesn't help the fact. (the two wrote the script for a swashbuckler.. recently..) Alright.. Sorry for that, but I was thinking of the similarities the entire movie, and when I saw Ted and Terry were in on it, it just clicked, and I had to share.

Being American, I'm unable to keep my mouth shut, even when I should. Bush and his cronies are wrong. More than wrong. I'd go so far as to say evil, if half of America didn't firmly believe he was ordained by God. We are the bad guys.. We're killing citizens (called insurgents to de-humanize them), holding them discreetly, and sometimes torturing them. We've alienated much of the world, and if we continue down this holier-than-thou path of destruction, it might not just be America that suffers. Saddam was bad.. yes. But he didn't attack us. That was Osama been-forgot'n's doing. Those who continue to say that this is about our safety.. think harder.. Hell.. think at all.

Oh.. and God help America.

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So, by your logic, as long as Hitler did not attack US, we shouldn't have entered that war either and stopped the inhumane genocide of millions of people?!

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Not trying to suck out all the fun you are having out of your political debates , whose relevance to this movie by the way I can't catch , I really think some of the lines spoken by Sindbad were really corny . I mean , expect that from the guy who wrote the awesome Gladiator and you know where the world is going . I think we outta worry more abt this than whether Middle-Eastern ppl shud be hated or not . I mean , 'Now I know , women can't drive ' in a mythological pirate movie? 'Ohhh Yeah!'? Cmon! Probably the only thing they left out was Sindbad yelling out to Marina , 'You wanna check out how fast this baby can sail?' Stop bringing out everything into the hip lingua of pop culture and have some reference!

The animation was awesome by the way . 2D never looked so good .

Now back to your debates on Western ethos and post-911 hatred and religious warfare and white supremacy and rampant racism and political incorrectness .


I can't wait .

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Great movie, the animation looks more cartoon than real, but it works better.

As for, is Sinbad white or dark skin, may be he is lighter than he should be ?
It's hard to think the reason is because Arab country are bad & the West are good, too simple.
Every county have done bad things in they history, so may be they should not have human characters at all ?( Well apart from Goddess Of Chaos, that a very human character .)

http://www.unu.edu/unupress/unupbooks/uu12ee/uu12ee0o.htm
The USA a white country ? is that judgment a bit wrong ?

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Maybe he may seem slightly darker b-cuz he likes to lounge on beaches (like Fiji). I mean, come on! He sails the open sea all day and therefore, is outside ost of the time. People like that are OBVIOUSLY going to get a tan like that.




"El muerte rojo is coming man, I SAW HIM!!!"

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well, a lot of you say that animation is meant to be fun , and just for kids. But kids are impressionable. How else do we teach tolerance? we don't just show martin luther king and say he's a good man

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Tolerance should be practiced by EVERYBODY. Americans aren't exactly protrayed as normal in the Arab countries. This whole conflict is based on religion. Bad idea for everyone.


BTW, it's just a cartoon.

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I am not putting up with any more of this intolerance!

As Tom Lehrer said.. " I know there are some people who do not love their fellow man, and I HATE people like that!.

I think there was some relevance to this debate though. Because as was wisely pointed out this is American Culture (oxymoron!)- and it is inevitable that it will reflect popular prejudice.

Take a look in thirty or forty years time and it will be so easy to spot...

Look at the prejudices in the forgettable McKenna's Gold...

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I'm appaled by pgbush's comment; That's typical American nonsense. America calls itself great, but we have a lot of flaws in our political manner of thinking, and what can you say about the middle eastern stereotype? Everyone now thinks every middle eastern is a head chopping terrorist. Rubbish! And we're brainwashed into thinking we live freely, when our goverment tries to change things how they see fit. Don't change the T.V channel, make everyone else deprived of watching it. I can clearly see that Bush has brainwashed pgbush, what's next peabrain? Are you going to be so convinced that everyone who hates our moronic presedent isn't a true american? I'm amazed at how stupid you are! The pentagon knew about 9/11, they didn't act so they could have a reason to engage in war. The only 2 things a typical dullard of America knows how to do is eat, and wage war...pgbush, you are so moronic I'm not even shocked........

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Well, in this movie, all the characters seem to have come from a sort of pseudo-Greek culture, so perhaps the filmmakers just twisted the story to fit some of the mythological elements incorporated into the film. Just a thought.

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