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Best 'Alice' adaptation ever, period


Okay, so I usually don't like most movies made by this company. Most of them suck and totally murder the source material.
But I've seen this one several times and each time it's completely blown me away: it's very faithful to the book, moreso than any other adaptation, and manages to keep the book's surreal, episodic feel. It's rare to find a fantasy film that actually gives you the sense of being somewhere completely bizarre and unfamiliar, but this one manages it perfectly.
I don't get why this movie has such low ratings, because it's just plain good, and full of beautifully crafted dreamlike images that cling to your brain and never let go. And, like a dream, it never once feels forced or fake.
While I'm definitely looking forward to Tim Burton's adaptation of Alice in Wonderland, I sincerely doubt it will be able to one-up this one.

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Even though I like this version, I greatly prefer the Disney animated film and the 1985 CBS miniseries. There are several things that I think prevent this version from reaching its potential:

1. I didn't like how they shoe-horned in the moral about performing. Even though I'm against adding a moral to this story, period, I wouldn't mind it so much if it was done with tact. Unfortunately, it was done distractingly enough to stand out from the Carroll material, and yet somehow it was half-hearted enough not to pack a punch the way the '85 CBS miniseries did with its moral about growing up.

2. I hated how most of the animal characters were downgraded to humans with vaguely animal characteristics. This made the Caucus race segment almost unbearable, and the White Rabbit's house portion less interesting. It's a shame, too, because I absolutely loved the Gryphon and March Hare and thought the White Rabbit was decent. Taking away most of the literal animals takes away some of the magic of Wonderland for me.

3. This is somewhat related to #1. I felt the added dialogue mostly didn't mesh well with Carroll's prose. I have no problem with added/altered dialogue as I'm not a purist. Disney's version plays fast and loose with the material and is fantastic in its own right, while the 1972 British musical is basically word-for-word and yet is rather dull. So I don't have a problem with additions and alterations as long as they blend well with Carroll's whimsy. Lines like, "I speak both crying and sobbing fluently" and "death worse than fate" don't feel especially witty the way lines like "half a cup, if you don't mind," do in the Disney film. Perhaps this wouldn't be as much of an issue if so many parts of the script weren't taken verbatim from the book.

4. The direction was off. I didn't care for some of the casting choices (Whoopi Goldberg as the Cheshire Cat) or some of the interpretations (Miranda Richardson's whiny Queen). A lot of the timing in the lines didn't work for me, and I felt that sort of undermined the dialogue itself.

5. It bothered me that the film stuck closely with Alice in Wonderland, then suddenly threw in Through the Looking Glass segments in the third act. It felt unbalanced to me, especially since the Looking Glass segments interrupt the tension from the Queen's croquest ground. If they absolutely had to put in some of Looking Glass in there, they should've mixed it up more evenly ala Disney's version.

I know all this makes it sound like I hate the movie, but I don't. There's enough to like about it that I'd give it a solid 7/10. Some of the performances are spot-on (Martin Short as the Mad Hatter, Simon Russell Beale as the King of Hearts, Christopher Lloyd as the White Knight), and the production design and costumes are fantastic. I also liked how they took Carroll's poems and made them actual songs (something the 1985 miniseries only does with a few of them). I just think the issues above hinder it from being a truly great adaptation. I'm really excited to see what Tim Burton does with the story.





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Shoot me. The Disney animated version was messed up. This beats it because it follows Carroll's books. The Disney version was kiddy and cheesy. This was all Carroll's books set to screen.

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I agree with you. Gene Wilder FTW.

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Uh, the 1985 one and the Disney one are the best adaptations yet.

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No way, Disney's characters were too cold and vicious to be endearing. Willing created an appealing, welcoming Wonderland with very likeable and warm characters.

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Disney was not vicious or especially even cold back then. But I guess that AIW was too childish for me.

Nowadays, Disney is making these movies with too much horror and stuff.

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Um..... GreenGobbie? DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's DISNEY! Of course it was aimed at little children! That's what Disney does. It strips things down and makes them airy and whimsical to entertain YOUNG children. The exception from the old days was Disney's Snow White, which I thought was quite scary (the scene when the Queen/Witch flees from the dwarves) when I was a child, but which I recently saw again and didn't find scary at all.

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Have you actually read Alice in Wonderland? the Disney version should be considered a loose adaption not a true adaption. This movie actually stuck closer to the novel (minus the interrupting Through the Looking Glass parts)

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I agree, I'm surprised at the the rating. I thought it would be at least a 7. It's far better than Tim Burton's, which I know is supposed to be a sequel but didn't capture the feel of AIW at all. It was extrememly tedious as well. This was quirky, entertaining, and the lead actress didn't sleepwalk or overact through the film. I wonder why people don't seem to like it.

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Tim Burton's two films, despite the subplots are the closest to Carroll's books.

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I totally agree. Best version period.

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I totally agree. Best version period.

I love you, Kristen Stewart. :) You are so beautiful and talented. I would love to perform with you.

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I totally agree. Best version period.

I love you, Kristen Stewart. :) You are so beautiful and talented. I would love to perform with you.

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