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From a Flip's perspective... this was decent... but too on the nose


Decent film. But still, do Filipino filmmakers think that the american audience won't get it? There was so many over the top scenes that push the tradition of Filipino's on your plate like you wouldn't believe... but you don't have to. It's about story. From story and characters comes the traditions and cultures. You don't have to draw attention to it, just have your Filipino/American characters convey everything through their simple dialogue and subtle actions.

One scene in particular (if you're F.O.B. you'll get it) is when the lead character has to 'bless' the elders. And he was acting like he didn't 'get it'. And was awkward doing it. COME ON... You know what to do... you're 17 years old... you've been there done that... YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE IT... but don't act like you've never been aware of such a thing. The writer/director at that point proved he was making this Filipino lead an AMERICAN - oblivious to culture yet embarassed of his own culture. How stupid is that?

A few characters were on the "O.A" side but most of the characters were good. Altough the film got a little tiring since the party (The Debut) seemed to last FOREVER... but it was just one night. Yikes.

This is definately a lesson on how NOT to make a Filipino/American movie.

They were on the right track but missed their mark, and if this is a new standard from ASIAN/American movies, everything after should easily raise the standard. Because this was far from compelling in movie making or story telling.

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I agree!

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This movie sucked big time. It made pinos look stupid. The fob character was pretty funny though

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yeah, I hate to say it, but as a veritable 'debut' for Filpino-American film-making, this one bit hard. it crammed too much into two hours, and still managed to be too long. I could list some really really bad scenes but I don't want to spoil it for those who haven't seen it. I do recommend seeing it though for those that haven't, to, like the original poster said, know how NOT to make a film about Filipino-American youth. The older actors are respectable, but the script was almost laughable. And some of the acting! No wonder they couldn't get any other work than being cast by other Filipnos! what I do appreciate is what the film itself represented, with how much trouble it was to get it to theaters, etc. but with what the film actually is, it's no surprise it wasn't picked up by any production company. for those still interested in movies featuring API youth (and i'm sorry if you're not after watching The Debut), watch Better Luck Tomorrow.

oh hell in hell...

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I thought it was a good movie. From my understanding, they were limited in time, limited in money, and in some cases limited in patience. As a Filipino, I know that if I were to make such a movie I would have to deal with the politics of "other" poeple, Filipino people, and "Asian" people while producing such a film. I can't imagine that it was easy to make and Market. But I admire the fact that different kinds of Filipinos were represented in this movie and that it was not shy to present the culture either. But the movie itself has large room for improvement but I think it is still a stepping stone for Filipinos in North America.

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i wanted to like this movie very much, but that just could not happen. and i hate to say it, but this was the first movie i ever wanted to walk out on. it just portrayed a very stereotypical type of filipino, one that not every filipino/filipina follows. it was like, "filipinos are car-crazy, basketball playing thugs and filipinas are delicate dancers" (i barely remember the movie since 2002)... i'm happy as the next filipino for the hollywood exposure to our culture, but... this was, ugh, just bad.

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Accept the truth!
There are some Flips like that. Not all but some, and that's all it takes...

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um, it's not truth if there are a handful of people that do not follow what is known as a stereotype. that's just like saying "well there are some black people out there that kill for no reason so i guess all black people kill"... to just accept it is a ridiculous idea.

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...and in 2008 NOTHING has become of it...

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I think a their first motion picture, it's a damn good movie. The thing is, there aren't a lot of Filipino movies, and there isn't an abundance of Filipinos in movies. They weren't trying to make an "Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind" or "Garden State" or whatever. They were trying to show through this movie what we usually do not see. The movie's pretty groundbreaking (even if it isn't fabulous), because it pretty much lays the foundation for other Filipino movies. If people have seen "the Debut," then they'll understand most other Filipino-American films and others won't have to go to such lengths to explain Filipino/Filpino-American culture.

Also, most Filipino movies are pretty over the top, particularly in the Philippines. I found this movie kind of endearing, because it shows that the Philippines are alive in America, even in film.

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that's a shallow reaason, if not retarded.

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For a "basic" glimpse of the Filipino American experience, then sure - this movie does the job. But there were definitely certain aspects of the film that came of as just a little too much. The play on stereotypes was over-the-top, which I wasn't surprised at actually. Philippine Cinema is infamous for the over-the-top storylines and characters. I just didn't expect that in a Fil-Am film. Likewise, for me the film was certainly "Westcoast-centric." Growing up in a Filipino American community on the East Coast, my experience was absolutely different. I defintely could relate to the references on food, relating with elders and/or siblings, and the over-all "feel" of the film. But the overall experience of the film was definitely more relatable to those who grew up on the West (well, duh, it took place in California - ahahah).

Anyway. Just wanted to say that I don't think it was an over-all representation of the Fil-Am experience as a whole.

However, it was definitely "endearing" for the very same reason NoMusicPast11 said - "it shows that the Philippines are alive in America..."

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This film about Filipino-Americans has a lot to be desired of.

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As an adult white male, I thought it was pretty good. I got to see a bit of filipino culture that I wasn't aware of (I had a few filipino-american friends growing up, but not close enough friends to be exposed to culture). I thought they also did a decent job of showing traditional culture mixed with modern culture.

I also thought they showed how filipino-americans don't fit any specific stereotype (if anyone thought they did): there can be the artistic type, the introspective type, and the thug-like type.

I didn't appreciate how it showed white people to be stupid (my impression, of course), doing nothing but moshing around in an apartment or claiming every filipino eats domesticated animals or using derogatory racial remarks that don't even fit the race.

Overall ... I thought it was a decent film especially considering there aren't many filipino movies in existance.

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I am Filipino (mestizo from the Philippines to be exact) and I liked the movie for the most part. However, there were some odd things going on...

I completely agree about the entire blessing thing. He has never even heard of it...wtf?! Any Filipino-Americans that I have EVER known at least know how to bless the elders. I mean, puhlease! And not only that, but when he asks the girl if she can speak Tagalog and she replies with "Uu, pluently" and he goes "That's wild" I was just laughing. I mean, it was suggested that he was born in the Philippines. His ENTIRE family is Filipino, yet not only does he not understand a word of Tagalog, but he finds it "out there" that anybody even can speak it. That was just plain dumb, sorry.


The movie itself was pretty good. There were some things I liked. But it was definitely over-the-top in several of its displays of stereotypes. Especially that political guy who kept talking about Philippine wars and sh**t. What the hell was that all about?? LOL but yeah, okay movie if quite a bit corny in quite a few instances.

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shut up, eat your pan de sal, and enjoy the movie for what it's. The movie is about some square kid who wants to rebel against his family, and tradition. Seriously what kid wants to sit around with old people when he can run off with his friends. He wants to make his own way in life. Not all flips wanna sit there and be doctors. To the Original Poster. Make a Filipino movie, show us how it's done

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Filipinos are very O.A., they don't know subtle.

2nd, don't call millions of Filipinos including Jose Rizal & Ninoy Aquino FOBS - as a Filipino, have a sense of propriety & decency.

3rd, don't call Filipinos FLIPS *beep* Little Island People), it's derogatory & racist.

Filams need to start being educated instead of blatantly showing their ignorance & disrespect for Filipino culture.



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I agree Vicky and I'm filipino-american born in the Philippines.
And have not seen The Debut though after reading these posts
and knowing that the Basco brothers and their sister are in
the film then now I want to see it!


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