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...What the hell kind of an ending was that?


Don't worry, I'm not about to rain on your parade with, "I didn't like this movie" or "it was so boring and pointless." I laughed at a lot of the awkward and quirky humor throughout. But right around the point when Seymour and Enid slept together, it just all went downhill. Not in a crazy *beep* type of way, but just sort of in a dragging, over-sulking, stalemate, dare I say boring way. I mean, what the hell happened?

Yeah, of course Rebecca wouldn't take her back because of her unreliable behavior, absence, and all-talk nature ("I'll get a job [and keep it]"). Who would want to remain friends with someone so negative and cynical who spends all their free time with their "other" friend anyway?

But how does that ending even count as an ending? A bus that hasn't come over the span of the entire film (which to my understanding was several weeks) just suddenly shows up? What? And then Enid just sits there and it shows up immediately afterwards? That was stupid. Stupid, stupid, stupid. A really cheap way to end an otherwise really original film. It's as if the screenwriters (or the original author in this case) just decided that they were bored with this script and gave it a quick ending.

I know, I know. You're gonna tell me I "don't get it." Right?

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If you recall how the old man use to sit there everyday waiting, then when everything turns south, Enid goes to visit him and he's gone? I think the representation was to insinuate that Enid had moved on, possibly even killed herself. But it's done in such a way, only the viewer can make up that conclusion.

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Agreed. Glad I'm not the only one who thought so. The movie was great for the most part, but the ending was really weak. Even tonally, it didn't seem to know what it was aiming for.

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I so much prefer a movie like this than those typical "TENT POLE" flicks.

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Well, first you have to realize that this movie isn't really a comedy. It's about how some people are unable to deal with life, and that's what Enid is dealing with throughout the movie. The ending is a very good way to demonstrate what happens in that kind of situation. Most of her actions in the movie are either deliberate attempts to avoid growing and becoming a part of life, or failures at actual attempts to mature. The end of the movie basically shows all of this coming to head and demonstrates that it's too much for Enid to cope with. That's why everything is dragging and sulking: Enid is realizing the position that she's in and coming to the realization that she can't deal with life.

As for the bus, it makes a lot of sense when you realize that the old man that had been waiting for it was "the only thing" that Enid could depend on, like death. The old man leaves, probably because he dies (it was stated that the bus didn't run anymore), and Enid taking the bus symbolizes a similar was of leaving. She realized that she couldn't deal with life and decided to try to escape the life that she had, either by leaving, or by killing herself (it's up to you to decide which you think it is), something that makes a lot of sense given the character and her predicament.

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"Well, first you have to realize that this movie isn't really a comedy."

Ghost World is absolutely a comedy and a great one......so nobody "needs" to "realize" anything.

It is other things too but comedy is everywhere in this movie. just because it isn't over the top broad or doesn't have a laugh track doesn't mean it's not a comedy.

The ending was great. Enid didn't know who she was or what she was going to do with her life, she doesn't fit in anywhere. The ending leaves that unresolved......just like real life for many people and the ending fits her character perfectly.

At the end she's sitting by herself at the bus stop awaiting her fate unsure of her future. She didn't kill herself, there's nothing in the movie that even hints at that and I wasn't left with the impression that she couldn't "deal with life". She was smart and funny but she was surrounded by people that couldn't understand her and she couldn't relate to.

All through the film she has chances to take a direction, going to school like her father wants, being an artist, moving in with Her best friend and leading a boring consumerist existence, becoming Seymor's girlfriend etc etc etc. She can't make up her mind and is constantly changing her mind.....again....just like real life for a lot f people.

She just didn't fit in with anyone or anything and couldn't decide on a direction her life should take and at the end she's simply moving on. The old man who used to sit on the bench is another possible ending for her, growing old and waiting for something which she'll never find or will never arrive.

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the ending of a story that lets you decide on the conclusion is far better than one that spells it all out for you,
come on, story telling is not only supposed to entertain you, its also nice if it makes you think.
what you think ends the story, what you imagine goes on....
and even better your imagination changes the reality depending where you are in life, you may not see that yet, but hopefully one day you will.




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I think the bus was a metaphor for suicide. I know that the author and people associated with the film deny this but I still think that's what it was.

I have to agree that the ending of the film lacked the quirky watch-ability of the the rest of the film. Really once Rebecca and Enid's friendship falls apart I can barely remember much of the film.

It's not as funny when you know that part.

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The author and the people associated with the film deny it is a metaphor but you still think it is? How could you know something the author doesn't. You realize that doesn't make any sense. That just means it's not open to interpretation. She probably took a bus to California and started a new life. I'm not buying that she'd kill herself.

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I don't think they are saying they know something the author doesn't. You're assuming the author is telling the truth about the meaning of the bus. Surprisingly, people don't always tell the truth about things they create.

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Ernest Hemingway said of "The Old Man And The Sea":

There isn’t any symbolism, The sea is the sea. The old man is an old man … The sharks are all sharks no better and no worse. All the symbolism that people say is *beep* What goes beyond is what you see beyond when you know.


Does that invalidate all that readers have gotten out of it over the years?

One can see in art what they want. I believe that artists may disclaim "absolute meaning" when someone approaches them asking what the meaning is as if there were an objective truth about it. There may be no objective, absolute truth, but an artist cannot erase what a viewer gets from it subjectively.

If I say that Thora Birch's character is living in her own world, and the bus at the end is her choice to leave the world (suicide) - that is my choice of interpretation. It's not for anyone to say that I am "wrong" any more than it is for me to assert that anyone who *doesn't* embrace this meaning is "wrong"

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Philo's Law: To learn from your mistakes, you have to realize you're making mistakes.

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She probably took a bus to California


She lived in Los Angeles.

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Love means never having to say you're ugly. - The Abominable Dr. Phibes

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From Ghost World's (the comic book) Wikipedia page:
Enid?s eventual fate in Ghost World is not explicitly shown; however, she does pack her bags and leave the city on a bus after her relationship with Rebecca ends. In a 2002 interview[5] Daniel Clowes and Terry Zwigoff were asked if the ending of the film adaptation was a metaphor for suicide. Daniel replied "Yeah, it could be. It?s hard to figure out why people have that response. The first time I heard that I said, 'What? You?re out of your mind. What are you talking about?' But I?ve heard that hundreds of times."

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The film is titled "Ghost World" because of the people in the world who are "ghosts"; people such as Seymour who are antisocial and don't leave the house, who really don't exist. Enid getting on the bus symbolized her becoming a Ghost.

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ghosts as in dead?
ghosts as in invisible to society?
ghosts as in among the living but not a part of?


I like what you said and want to comment more but when you say

who really don't exist.

I don't understand your use of this term here. So will withhold further.

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Sorry, I meant people who are completely detached from society.

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I'll buy that.

While Seymour was on that bus he left his pants behind on the sidewalk, when he came out of detachment, the pants were gone.
Perhaps when Enid left, she left something on the sidewalk!

My guess is a lot of us that love this movie ride that bus often.

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Near the end of the comic, Enid says this: http://imgur.com/px558P1

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OK, the comic spells it out, but the movie, much more visual is able to give all kinds of clues as to other meanings. The debate is if they did on purpose.
If they didn't it would NOT be the first work of art that had more meanings than the author intended. Over 120 years later people are still analyzing Alice's adventures.
But back to Ghost World, by the director just showing Enid getting on that particular bus, and not having her say anything gives the movie much more depth than if she had simply said "going to another city."
As I wrote in another post, whether she committed suicide, left town, or changed her ways and conformed or just went to the end of the bus line, she made some kind of a change or decision that something of her died.
My guess is she just traded one form of ghost world for another, and Rebecca left Ghost World.

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In the film she says very much the same thing, but to Seymour, not Rebecca.

Laura Ess

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I've never considered the ending to be a metaphor for suicide. But I see how you can interpret it that way. And even though the creaters deny that as their original intention I think everybody is allowed to see what they want.

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