I didn't like that. I thought they had a beatiful friendship and they, or should I say the writer, ruined it. I didn't like how Seymour turned into a clingy creep, although to be fair she wasn't faultless. I liked Enid until she said she could move with him and the next moment she asked Rebecca the same thing. To give him hope like that was an *beep* thing to do.
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Enid was not a nice character and got everything she deserved. Enid was not created for your *bleeping* approval.
shareIt isn't totally unrealistic, but personally I found it weird because I related so much to both characters. One was like a sexy female version of my cynical teenage self back in the day and the other was like my middle-age self now. That may sound like a great fantasy, but it's actually kind of weird--like incest to the nth degree.
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Same here. I'm a loner like them and a bit anti-social. So i really like the characters. Just thought they had a beatiful friendship and they blew it.
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It was uncomfortable, but it was also critical to the plot/story. It made Enid wake up.
shareEnid is an 18-year old girl dealing with emotional issues far beyond her comprehension.
I don't think it's fair to say that Seymour became clingy. All he did was look for her after they'd slept together. He didn't become a stalker. And this came after Enid was the one constantly making contact with him while he was trying to be Dana's boyfriend.
Enid was devastated due to her unstable home situation - dad's girlfriend was moving in and also Enid and Becky were pursuing divergent paths, finding it increasingly difficult to get along.
I agree with Rick-34, Seymour wasn't clingy and he certainly wasn't a creep. He was completely harmless and only reacted to the mixed messages Enid was giving him. A couple of phonecalls to a friend after you've slept with them does not a stalker make. And remember that he was avoiding Enid's phonecalls only a few days prior to that, so he really didn't do anything she didn't do first.
Those two sleeping together was an unpleasant turn of events, for all the reasons you state about their friendship, but then Ghost World isn't supposed to be a fuzzy-feeling happy ending kind of film, is it? I actually found their plot progression more realistic because of the unhappy ending. Most human emotional interactions are short-lived and have unhappy/unsatisfactory endings if you think about it.
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Agree very much with this. I also didn't find Seymour to be creepy. Enid was sending him mixed signals and he even tried to back off after a while. And I think beyond friendship, he always liked Enid because they had very specific common interests. They both liked very unique, one of a kind stuff. I think he was always attracted to Enid but never made a move until she pushed it... And I don't think Enid was attracted to Seymour, but more attracted to his authenticity.
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I'll chime in and say anyone who thinks they should "expect" a plot turn in this movie isn't accepting it on it's terms. Whether they had or had not slept together doesn't concern me, but there it is.
And in very simple terms, they had both been drinking and Enid totally seduced Seymour.
Perhaps unwittingly, but it would be difficult for a guy to say no under those circumstances. He pushed her away countless times, and she was sincere in her relentless pursuit. I totally agree that this made Enid wake up, and I don't find the ending depressing. She's on a journey. She's trying to find her way. She's on a streetcar named desire, so to speak.
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I don't know what kind of company you keep, snepts, but any self-respecting man of at least average intelligence would find it completely easy to 'say no under those circumstances'. Men are not helpless, brainless sex machines, no matter how much certain types of men use that stereotype as an excuse for bad behaviour. They can say no just as easily as women can, regardless of how much they may want to say yes. They still have autonomy over their bodies.
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I apologize in advance, but you seem to live in some binary world. If over a long period of time a young woman convinces a man she wants to bed with him, it would become hard to say no. She's an adult. And I'm not saying, as you assert, men are helpless, brainless, etc. I just said, in this particular movie, the way things played out, that they were drinking, he was very lonely, (despite some other woman suddenly popping up that he did not feel very comfortable about), I don't find it surprising or scandalous they ended up sleeping together.
They were consenting adults. Not only that, but in the context of this particular movie in which so much is absurd, that they would throw in this element to the story, I don't find it alarming. He will take her rejection much harder than she had taken his many earlier rejections. I really don't understand your point. People can say yes or no, but in this instance, I don't think it's quite as black-and-white as you're making it out to be, sort of like shifting the argument away from what was intended.
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