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All Saints Strongest to Weakest


Bronze Saints

Phoenix<Pegasus<Dragon<Cygne<Andromeda<Unicorn<Hydra<Bear<Lion<Wolf

Silver Saints

Andromeda's master<Crystal<Shina<Marin<Persee<Docrates<Centaurus<Babel<Marine <Misty<Jamian<Babel<Tramy

Gold Saints

Virgo<Geminis<Libra<Aries<Scorpion<Sagittarius<Aquarius<Leo<Pisces<Capricornius< Cancer<Taurus

God Warriors of Asgard

Syd of Zeta<Siegfried of Alpha<Hagen of Merak<Mime of Venesha<Alberich Delta<Fenrir of Alioth<Thor

Poseidon Generals

Seadragon(Kanon)<Sorrento de Siren<Krishna<Io de Scylla<Baian<Isaac de Kraken<Limnades

Hades Spectres

Minos Griffon<Aicos Garuda<Radamanthys<Orfeo<Alraune Queen<Sylphid Basilisk<Pharaoh<Harpy Valentine<Lycaon Phlegyas<Minotaurus Gordon<Lune Balron<Acheron Charon<Rock Golem<Ivan Troll<Worm Raimy<Papillon Myu<Frog Zeros<Cyclops Giant<Cube<Mills<Ox

What do you think

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I remember that it was once said that the Sagittarius Saint would have been one of the most powerful Gold Saints. I'm sure if Aiolos had lived longer, he would definitely have surpassed Dohko and been on the same level with Saga. I'd place him between Libra and Aries (young form, that is... if he was alive, he'd be between Gemini and Libra or between Gemini and Virgo). Oh, and Scorpio is weaker than that. His attacks deal only minor injuries, but the pain is pretty intense. Leo is stronger than Aquarius, because Aiolia was able to keep Saga's attack from striking him in the Sanctuary saga. Even Shaka didn't manage to hit him for some reason.
I figure the list is something like this:

Virgo<Gemini<Sagittarius<Libra<Leo<Aries<Aquarius<Capricorn<Pisces<Cancer<Taurus

The reasons for it going like that? It's pretty much shown in the Hades saga that Shaka is the most powerful Gold Saint. He would have won the battle against the three Gold Saint specters, if they hadn't used Athena's Exclamation. Saga and Kanon are some of the strongest around, at least I think Kanon must be pretty powerful to stand up to Rhadamanthys, who managed to kill three Gold Saints at one blow (OK, they were weakened, but it was still Rhada who weakened them in the first place). It was said somewhere that if Aiolos had lived, his final strength would have rivalled that of Saga. Libra must be strong... Dohko is not that weak, I mean, he stood up to Shion, who paralyzed Mu. Leo.. well... Aiolia's powers rivalled those of Saga and Shaka in the Sanctuary saga, as I already stated. Mu won the battle against Death Mask and Aphrodite. Camus and Shura must be stronger than Death Mask and Aphrodite, because I'm sure they would have managed to kill Mu, if they combined their powers (...Death and Aph didn't manage to do that). And well... Aldebaran is strong physically, but he almost never uses his Cosmo in its full power... if he did that, he'd probably be on the same level Mu.

Look here: http://66.249.93.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://scribe.seiya.free.fr/dossier/cekilplufor.htm
(Not mine, I just found it... btw, Driven means Mu) Saga also says at one point that Dohko is the most powerful Gold Saint.

"Can you still see when your head has been severed from your neck? Let's find out..."
- Drancron

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Well I see thanks for your point of view, but I don't know why they put Shura and Aphrodite in the last 2 houses if they are that weak.

Bronze Saints

Phoenix<Pegasus<Dragon<Cygne<Andromeda<Unicorn<Hydra<Bear<Lion<Wolf

Silver Saints

Andromeda's master<Crystal<Shina<Marin<Persee<Docrates<Centaurus<Babel<Marine <Misty<Jamian<Babel<Tramy

Gold Saints
Virgo<Gemini<Sagittarius<Libra<Leo<Aries<Aquarius<Capricorn<Pisces<Cancer<Taurus

God Warriors of Asgard

Syd of Zeta<Siegfried of Alpha<Hagen of Merak<Mime of Venesha<Alberich Delta<Fenrir of Alioth<Thor

Poseidon Generals

Seadragon(Kanon)<Sorrento de Siren<Krishna<Io de Scylla<Baian<Isaac de Kraken<Limnades

Hades Spectres

Minos Griffon<Aicos Garuda<Radamanthys<Orfeo<Alraune Queen<Sylphid Basilisk<Pharaoh<Harpy Valentine<Lycaon Phlegyas<Minotaurus Gordon<Lune Balron<Acheron Charon<Rock Golem<Ivan Troll<Worm Raimy<Papillon Myu<Frog Zeros<Cyclops Giant<Cube<Mills<Ox

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Seiya is stronger than Ikki.

Think of it this way, Kuramada is not going to have someone stronger than his precious Seiya.

Aaannndd...Capricorn Shura DID kill Sagittarius.

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I know he killed him. But let's look at it this way... first it was Saga that attacked Aiolos when he was without his Cloth (that was when he jumped out the hole Saga blew in the wall). Then Shura attacked Aiolos when he didn't have his Cloth on. Then he donned it and Shura didn't kill him instantly. He did have the strength left to give Athena to Mitsumasa Kido.

So Aiolos's wounds were pretty much fatal even before he defended himself against Shura. I mean, if he had had his full strength at the time, Shura would have been killed in the first round.

"Can you still see when your head has been severed from your neck? Let's find out..."
- Drancron

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Yes, in the anime, Shura seems to be a little tricky to kill the stronger Aiolos, but keep in mind this plot is added in the anime only, not the original plot from Kurumada's manga which has never given any detail about the death duel between the two goldies. Also, neither Shura gets his right arm chops off by Shiryu, this is also only in the anime.

In my opinion, Shura's ability and power have been overtly weakened in the interpretation by the anime. Overall, i think Athena's most loyal Capricornius Saint should definitely deserve a higher rank above the middle among the goldies. :)

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I think you have the arrows facing the wrong way.
A > B
this means that A is better/greater than B, if you make it "<" it means B is better/greater.

But anyway, I would have it as this:

Bronze Saints

Pegasus>Phoenix>Andromeda>Dragon>Cygnus>Unicorn>Chameleon>Hydra>Bear>Lionet>Wolf

Reasons: Seiya has a highest ability to raise his cosmo, than any other bronze saint. Which is why only he is able to contend with the gods. Ikki's 'regular' cosmo is higher, but he can't surpass Seiya in raising his cosmo to its limits (unless maybe losing all his other senses).

Silver Saints

Orphee> Daidalos (shun's master)> Crystal Saint > Shaina > Algol > Marin > Capella > Misty > Algethi > Babel > Jamian > Dante > Moses > Asterion > Tremy > Dio

Reasons: Orphee is said to be on the level of Gold Saints, clearly the strongest one able to defeat high ranking specters. Daidalos was able to fight on par with Scorpio, until Pisces cheated.

Gold Saints

Libra > Aries (Shion)> Virgo > Gemini > Sagittarius > Aries (Mu) > Leo > Aquarius > Capricorn > Scorpio > Taurus > Pisces > Cancer

Reasons: Dohko and Shion the only survivors from the previous holy war. Dohko's so rare that Athena wanted him watch over hades and to fight in the next war by giving him long life, and shion given the rank of pope. Shaka has powerful techniques, but he lacks the cosmo and the experience of the other two.

Hades Judges

Radamanthys > Minos > Aiacos

Radamanthys shows his performance was failing because of being hit by Seiya. But he was still able to basically win vs all 4 bronze saints fighting together (and they had god protection so weren't inhibited). The other judges have some powerful special attacks, but they aren't as strong as Radamanthys I think.

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I agree with you that Seiya would be the last hero kind as he is only one who can surpass any limit of his cosmo because the only reason he is most CENTRAL character. He is so lucky to get more bonus than any other character.

But if about the regular status and in term of absolute power, Ikki is no doubt the strongest human, even a god like Thanatos did admit that Ikki is the only mortal whose power has caught his attention.

I have to disagree that Radamanthys is the strongest of the three judges. Because his technique "Greatest Caution" only causes minor damage to the Gemini Saint Kanon, but Aiacos's technique "Galactica Illusion" has nearly killed Kanon. that is really showed how powerful Aiacos is.

Also, Minos is by far the most resistant specter; he survives the blast of the wailing war and a fully charge of "Aurora Execution" of absolute zero by Hyoga.

Overall, i'd say Minos is the toughest among all specters.

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Death Mask and Aphrodite are the two weakest goldies.

Shura isn't the weakest, he killed the older Sagittarius Aiolos who were 4 years of his senior. His excalibur is by far one of the most devastating attack of the goldies. Also, he was not defeated by Shiryu during the battle in the Sanctuary, but to redeem his sin of killing Aiolos. He just sacrifices himself in order to bring Shiryu back to life.

Here is my rank:


Bronze

Ikki > Hyoga > Shiryu > Shun > Seiya

Silver

Orphee is by far the strongest of the silver saints, who even surpasses the level of some gold saints. The other silvers seem just banal.

Gold

Evil Saga > Shaka > Dohko = Shion > Good Saga = Kanon > Aiolos > Mu = Aiolia > Shura = Camus > Milo > Aldebaran > Aphrodite = Death Mask

Mariner

Kanon > Sorrento > all the rest

Specter

Minos > Aiacos > Radamanthys > 8 prisoner guardians > Papillon > all the rest

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Well, at least concerning the bronze saints:

Common sense says:

Phoenix Ikki > Pegasus Seiya > Andromeda Shun > Dragon Shiryu > Cygnus Hyoga

BUT Kurumada himself said:

Pegasus Seiya > Andromeda Shun > Phoenix Ikki > Dragon Shiryu > Cygnus Hyoga

About the gold saints, well, we´ll never agree on this one. We´ll end up in a 1000 days thread as Fer once said .

But to me is like that:

Most powerful: Virgo Shaka, Gemini Saga, Aries Mu, Libra Dohko, ex-Aries Shion

Very powerful: Skorpio Milo, Capricorn Shura, Sagitarius Aiolos, Leo Aiolia, Gemini Kannon,

Powerful enough to be gold saints but without time to show how awsome they must really be:

Taurus Aldebaran, Cancer deathmask, Acquarius Camus, Pisces Aphrodite

About the silver saints, I don´t know Perseus Algol and Albiore are the only ones that come to my mind right now, probably because they are the only handsome ones (Ha! Ha!). I´ll take your comments as true on these ones, I don´t remember how powerful they are...

Let´s vote the most sexy... it´s more fun!!!

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I have to agree with you because Ikki is more powerful than Seiya just that Kurumura doesn't gives him so much space in the cartoon cuz he would humilliate Seiya, to let Seiya be the hero.

And with the silver saint you should see the Hades Ova in youtube.com so you can see Orphe which is the most powerful silver saint I think its ep 16.

I think Aldebaran could be in Mu's level just that he doesn't uses all his cosmos and he relies mostly on his physical force.

He might put Andromeda as second strongest cuz he never wants to fight but when he is provoque or doesn't have any choice he can be very powerful like against Scylla or Sorrent of Siren.

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Debating the power of saints has to be one of favorite hobbies of Saint Seiya fans, I know I enjoy it.

Scorpio is quite powerful, but his technique takes a while before the resulting in a fatality, I've always thought he seems to be best suited as the torturer gold saint who can interrogate the enemy for information in holy wars.

Sometimes in Saint Seiya they measure a warriors power by whether they can see the attack that is coming to them. In Hades, he would have not been able to avoid Saga's galaxian explosion if not warned by Seiya (In the manga I think Mu warns him instead).

So yeah, I would place him behind Mu and Aiolia and Shura because he doesn't have the same powerful attacks, but above Aldebaran, Deathmask, and Aphrodite.

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When Scorpio faced the three gold saints in Virgo temple. He wanted to kill Saga, Shura and Camus for sure.

But it took him 2 separate attacks to hit all the stars which are necessary in order to use the Antares. When he wanted to use Antares he was stopped, once by Saga, and the 2nd time by Athena.

It's pretty much a definite that Milo can't hit all stars and use Antares in one attack sequence. Scarlet Needle and Antares are basically 2 separate attacks. If they were able to be combined in one maybe he could have defeated Radamanthys when he used Scarlet Needle on him (from the anime I think 3 stars were hit only).

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so far there will be 26 but more will be added as ellyseum is required

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in manga version clearly said that Saga is the strongest gold saint

http://beijing.images.skypp.com/large/70166.6862.jpg

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Strange, as the combined forces of this "strongest saint" and 2 other gold saints all got their a**es kicked by the Virgo saint.

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Very powerful: Skorpio Milo, Capricorn Shura, Sagitarius Aiolos, Leo Aiolia, Gemini Kannon,

Powerful enough to be gold saints but without time to show how awsome they must really be:

Taurus Aldebaran, Cancer deathmask, Acquarius Camus, Pisces Aphrodite
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I am slightly confused by the reason behind qualifying Shura in a definitive category, whereas Camus is in the "unsure" category. Time after time, the author of SS has shown that Camus is of a higher calibre than Shura. Here are 3 cases I can think of off the top of my head:

1. When the 3 warriors were up against Mu, Shura's attack failed to yield any results, whereas Camus's most basic attack knocked down Mu.

2. Against Shaka, Shura was knocked down immediately, whereas Camus proved more of a threat and did not suffer a knock down.

I can think of 2 reasons for why the warriors always attacked in the order of Shura first, then Camus, and lastly Saga. One is that Shura is simply more aggressive, but the other reason is to save the best (Saga) for last and sacrificing the weakest initially.

3. The Bronze inheritors against the Hades soldiers... Shiryu using Shura's Excalibur Sword got his arm broken by an ordinary Hades soldier who specialized in axe power, whereas Hyoga using Camus' Aurora Execution could knock down Minos, one of the top 3 Hades experts.

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Hi Piranian Rose

I am very sorry, because you are going to be disappointed by the reason I think Shura is more powerful than camus. It's simply because he was killed by hyoga, who is the weakest of all the bronzies. Shura is awsome, anyway, and he did kill a gold saint. And although he is killed by Shiryu, at least he let him kill him. Did Camus allow Hyoga to kill him too? Probably...
So let's go to the main reason: I like shura better than I like Camus.
I know!! And I already said I am sorry!!!!

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Bronze saints :

Ikki > Seiya > Shiryu > Hyoga > Shun

Silver Saints :

Orphée > Perses > Misty > Algheti > Shaina > Marine > Asterion > Capella > Moses > Dante > Jamian > Tremy

Gold Saints :

Libra = Aries Sion > Shaka > Saga > Aries Mu > Leo > Capricorn > Aquarius > Scorpio > Taurus > Pisces > Cancer

God Warriors :

Siegfried > Bud > Syd > Mime > Alberich > Thor > Hagen > Fenrir (though Fenrir is strong)

Poseidon Saints :

Canon > Krishna > Sorent > Bian > Scylla > Isaac > Limnades . I think Sorent, Canan and Krishna are a lot stronger than the others.

Hades specters :

Minos > Rhadamantys > Papillon (in the manga version, Myu seems to be definatelly one of the strongest specters, he nearly killed Mu) > Aiocos > Pharaon > Cheron > Niobe > Valentine > Gordon > Queen > Selphyde

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Actually Shun is stronger than Shiryu and Hyoga. He killed Aphrodite without much trouble and was able to hold off Saga. And no, Aphrodite isn't one of the weaker Gold Saints. That's a misconception.

And when it comes to Silver Saints, Cepheus Daidalos and Lyra Orphée both have strength equal to that of a Gold Saint.

Plus the Gold Saints... the Sagittarius Saint and the Gemini Saint are equal in strength. Or Aiolos would have been if he hadn't died - if he wasn't strong, Shion wouldn't have picked him to become the next Pope.
In Lost Canvas Sagittarius Sisyphus is immensely strong - he was able to pull off an Athena's Exclamation with Aries Shion and Leo Regulus AFTER his heart had been torn out of his chest. And no, LC isn't non-canon, not really. After all, Teshirogi based her story on Kurumada's original.

"Can you still see when your head has been severed from your neck? Let's find out..."
- Drancron

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I'm only gonna do the bronze and gold saints:

Bronze: Seiya / Ikki / Shun / Hyoga / Shiryu

Gold: Shakka / Saga - Kanon / Dohko / Aioros / Mu / Aioria / Camus / Shura / Aldebaran / DeathMask / Milo / Aphrodite

Bitch.. you don't have a future.. ~ The Bride ~

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Gold Saints would be in the following order for me:

Libra = Aries (Shion) > Virgo > Geminis (Saga) > Aries (Mu) > Saggitarius > Leo > Aquarius > Capricornius > Scorpion > Taurus > Cancer > Pisces

I would place Libra and Aries (Shion) first for the obvious fact already pointed out, both where of equal power (battle of the thousand days?), where the only ones to survive the last holy war and where chosen by Athena to become protectors of the temple or the seal to Hades.

After that, Virgo is shown to be the most powerful of the remaining Gold Saints with Geminis closely following behind. Also, I place Mu before Saggitarius because if you take a closer look at the fight against Aquarius and Capricornius, he was caught of guard and still managed dodge the first attack and took but then dodge the second. He also has that powerful Star Extinction (I think that was the one) that manages to teletransport people to the gates of the dead. Also, Leo would be really powerful but he is overtaken by his emotions and the fact that he was easely dominated by the evil pope (Saga) shows he is not that hard to manipulate.

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I agree with you god_of_thunder345, except for Mu and Aioros switched. We don't really see much of Aioros abilities, but I think, if I remember correctly, he was going to be next in line for pope before Saga took over, and his power is hinted at many times. I admit that the fight between him and Shura makes him look a little weak though, but you have to remember that he let himself be hit. I guess to put it another way, I think Aioros has more raw power, but Mu has a more versatile range.

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I would agree with a lot of the rankings you guys have posted here. However regarding the comment that Camus is the weakest is wrong imo. Camus freezing power could dismobilize anyone. The battle between Hyoga and Camus was a tie, they both died.

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Libra Dokho > Aries Shion
they are a different category and probably stronger than the other gold saints given their age and knowledge...still Dokho (forgive me if i mispelled his name) seems to be stronger with his crazy attack with 100 dragons...that was awesome...

Virgo = Gemini (both) < Sagittarius < Leo = Aries < Aquarius < Capricornius < Scorpion < Taurus < Pisces < Cancer

Now my reasons....
It took the Athena Exclamation to kill Virgo (while he wasnt moving) yet the Gemini Saints have proven to be extremely powerful at many ocassions, the thing is that the Saints power varies with each saga you know....anyways Kannon was the only one who could stand Rhadamanthys and defeat him WITHOUT HIS CLOTH ON!!!!...he was also able to fight the other two judges but they overpowered him....Saga was crazier than Kannon in the Sanctuary arc, he blew the hell out of everyone, Shion was killed by Saga which shows just how strong Saga can be....
Sagittarius was never given the chance to achieve its full potential but was chosen as the new Pope, by Shion himself, and he was able to survive despise his injuries....
Leo and Aries are about the same power level, Leo is faster while Mu has stronger Psychich powers, so its kinda like in between...
Aquarius ws strong, but not strong enough to withstand Hyoga alone....
Capricorn was alright, his Excalibur is the strongest weapon as of yet (to me at least)...
Scorpio was all about techniqh and not much power...still his stings hurt...
Taurus never really used his maximum Cosmos...
Pisces is before Cancer just because i am a Pisces...they are both pathetic losers though....


IT'S ABOUT TIME YOU REALIZE THAT, YOU AND YOUR MONKEY
DID HE MEAN ME OR THAT?

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Bronze

Seiya > Ikki > Shiryu > Yoga > Shun

Gold

Shaka > Saga > Kanon > Shion > Dokho > Aiolia ~ Aioros ~ Aldebaran ~ Milo ~ Camus ~ Shura > Aphrodite > Deathmask

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The gold in lost canvas would be that for me (SPOILERS):

1-Leo Regulus (worth the 12 gold saints together, i think it's stupid but i'm not the writer)
2-Gemini Aspros (could defeat a god alone)
2bis-Gemini Deuteros (as strong as his brother)
4-Taurus Aldébaran (very powerful, his resistance and titan's nova are impressive)
5-Capricorn El cid (As strong as Shura, he defeated a bunch of god)
6-Virgo Asmita (he's like Shaka but his blindness makes me think he's a little weaker)
7-Cancer Manigoldo (a lot stronger than Deathmask, he has four attacks)
8-Pisces Albafica (not very powerfull, but his roses are effective and his blood very dangerous, he's also very brave versus Minos)
9-Sagittarius Sysiphus (it's hard to say, he defeated Aiacos but in a very weird way)
10-Aquarius Degel (he's been ridiculous versus Rhadamanthys but he's compared to a god when he defeats Unity who uses the powers of Poséidon.)
11-Libra Doko (strong enough, but his skills were disapointing)
12-Aries Shion (unfortunally, he's been ridiculous, he nearly died at least five times and was only useful versus Rune)
13-Scorpio Cardia (he's ridiculous, he killed himself by using Antares (Milo wouldn't) to kill Rhadamanthys and that didn't even work)

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It's a very close call on most of the gold saints but it pretty much goes like this:

Most powerful of all:

Libra Dokho > Aries Shion

they are a different category and probably stronger than the other gold saints. From whatever argument you look at things, it all comes to these two guys being the most powerful saints.

Libra along with Shion survived the holy war, plus he has that crazy gold cloth which is a tremendous leverage.

Shion just breezes through Mu and holds his own against Libra. The difference between these two is about nanometers, but I think for all he stands for and represents among all saints, Libra is the most powerful and Shion follows.






Extremely powerful

Virgo = Mu > Gemini

Shaka would probably go on to the next level if the series progressed and become as powerful (or even more) than Libra and Shion, but at the time the series is made he is definitely one level behind those two. I would place Shaka slightly above Gemini, and it seems that Mu is more powerful than him. I interpreted they both had a lot of respect for each other

Like it or not, both Shaka and Mu seem SLIGHTLY more powerful than Gemini, as it was seen that Saga by himself couldn't defeat either of them without the help of someone else.






Then come rest in whichever order you like, although most agree with

Sagittarius < Leo < Aquarius < Capricornius < Scorpion < Taurus < Pisces < Cancer

Here it's a real coin toss, as the difference of power is barely seen. One thing is for sure, none of these could be able to defeat either of the five mentioned above on a one on one combat.

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