The point of this film is...


Before I get aload of anoraks attacking me, can someone explain what the *beep* is the point in films like these.
I recently watched a documentary about 'snuff' films (C4- UK) and when showing clips of this I was firstly slightly amused, but was subsequently disgusted (yes I know it is not real).
Do you people get off on the fantasy of some woman being brutalised or what? How can anyone deem this as entertainment?
I was also left in hysterics when I saw the thread about the suitability of this 'film' for a 10 year old. If you want to trumatise your child then this would be the way to do it.

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I havent seen this yet but will be doing so soon...

i think it might hold some artistic merit. but i think that considering the time this was released there was alot of contraversy surrounding "video nasties" at the time... these ppl who made films like this and " cannibal ferox and holocaust" pushed the boundaries at that time and made it possibly for film to get away with things in the future

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"Before I get aload of anoraks attacking me..." "Do you people get off on the fantasy of some woman being brutalised or what?"

Good way to start out neutrally then. =/ Why do people like these movies though? Let's just drag out the tired old argument - people love blood and gore. Ever since the Roman Empire and probably way before people have been fascinated with everything disgusting and disturbing, it probably is just part of human nature. I'll admit this explanation is lame, but it's the most PC one. Still though, it's, in the end, only a matter of taste. Some people 'get off' on Danielle Steel movies, others 'get off' on fake snuff. I hope this last sentence also demonstrates the absurdity of you suggesting people find some kind of sexual excitement in movies such as Guinea Pig 1 and 2 - does liking something mean that it gives you a boner? No. People watch disgusting and sick horror just because it's disgusting and sick, end of story.

"I was also left in hysterics when I saw the thread about the suitability of this 'film' for a 10 year old. If you want to trumatise your child then this would be the way to do it."
How about that thread wasn't serious?

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Holy *beep*, i'm becoming more and more afraid of coming to the Internet these days! The new crop of psychos seems to be hiding behind PCs nowadays. I can't believe what you just wrote, and i doubt you can either. Torture is hilarious? Pain is funny? If you really do believe that, you can't be playing with a full deck. I would love to see if you really think that way if someone pulled off one of your testicles with a chopstick and forced you to eat it; or if someone cut off your mom's gut with a chainsaw and fed her own entrails to herself, while you were forced to witness the horror of it all.
I have nothing against the ppl who watch this sort of movies to experience new sensations but i strongly condemn the ones who see it as "fun" or "entertainment". Do mankind a favour and see a shrink before you start hacking off poor innocent girls you just randomly picked on the street for "fun". Or put a bullet in your own head before when you see that happening. Either way pal, help yourself and help us all.

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Oh lord, here we go again.

So, what's entertainment and what's not is subjective. Though I would certainly not call the first two Guinea Pig flicks 'entertaining' (FOFAB maybe, though), they just do what they should: gross out the viewer. The viewer, here, is the type of person who loves to be grossed out. Whether it is just because he's pushing his own boundaries, because he's a gorehound, because he finds this stuff entertaining or maybe even because he gets off on it (or a combination, of course), well - is that really important? No. Once again, the Guinea Pig movies are entirely fictional. They feature actors and actresses, had a production crew, a director, some guys who did the special effects - probably even a catering guy who made the folks some vegetarian sandwiches. Though they're, logically, quite disturbing in nature, the fact that they are nothing more than fiction makes it perfectly clear that there can't be anything wrong with enjoying these movies. I personally am more worried about people who jerk off on Max Hardcore videos, though, then again, this is entirely subjective. I rest my case.

P.S.: please, stop with the accusations. Just present your view or argument without immediately pointing fingers and urging someone to go see a shrink or something like that.

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Okay, maybe i was a little out of line there but i was really boiling over that last post. Like is said, i don't have anything against ppl who watch disgusting movies out of curiosity and to experience new feelings (the kind of feelings you can't get on mainstream cinema) but i simply cannot tolerate a person that has the nerve to scream at the top of their lungs that he watches them because he thinks "pain is funny" and "torture is hilarious". I mean, jeez, you gotta draw the fkn line somewhere! Does he understand what he just wrote? Imagine if all ppl were like that, that sort of sh*t is enough to make you think twice before you step into the REAL world. You can't go out on the cyberespace saying all kinds of stupid stuff you want simply because noone knows who you are (and most probably never will). If he really believes in what he just wrote, then he's a very deranged person who needs help a.s.a.p. before he starts doing to others what he sees on film. That's my opinion.

Cool name, btw. Grindcore rules! :)

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I can understand your point, and definitely don't disagree - I can't say torture actually is hilarious, be it in a horror movie or not. It's the same kind of empathy that prevents me from seeing the comedy element in Rapeman movies, for instance. The Guinea Pig movies, then, were created to be vile horror, and not a bunch of flicks to go and laugh about. However, I think it's a pretty common attitude in some (semi-mainstream) horror-fan-circles to say that movies like Guinea Pig are actually funny, though even the most (underground) hardened horror fans will agree that they're actually just gross out flicks that do have comedy elements, but that these are certainly not found in the torture and mutilation etc. scenes. So eh, what was my point again? Oh yeah, so I do think you have a point, but, being active on several horror messageboards, I've come across much weirder and more disturbing things. Attitudes and comments like 'torture is hilarious' are just not to be taken seriously, I guess. It's just a tough guy attitude.

Sorry for the unstructured piece, I had 10.000.000.000 points to make but I'm too exhausted to make a cohesive argument.

And indeed, grincore does rule!

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Maybe guys just like seeing women tortured but won't actually admit it, instead they cover it up with lots of semi-analysis as to why they watch it.

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"Maybe guys just like seeing women tortured but won't actually admit it, instead they cover it up with lots of semi-analysis as to why they watch it."

I think that's very valid. The human race is in such a sorry state that we even have films like the Guinea Pig series at all! If humanity was sane, if we were at peace with ourselves, etc., such things wouldn't exist. My point is that the Guinea Pig series is simply a reflection of the human condition and our animal impulse to dominate and destroy. Modern man is nothing, if not a sadist.

It's amusing to see other Grind freaks on these boards. ^_^ REGURGITATE's 'Effortless Regurgitation Of Bright Red Blood' is practically my musical Bible.

"Cain and Abel will go to Heaven... if they can make it through Hell!" -Los Hijos Del Topo

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"It's amusing to see other Grind freaks on these boards. ^_^ REGURGITATE's 'Effortless Regurgitation Of Bright Red Blood' is practically my musical Bible."

I'm more of an OLD death/grind fan myself, groovy stuff like Benediction, Napalm Death or Brutal Truth. But yeah grind is cool, that mix of "cookie monster" vocals and brutal riffing always does it for me. There's smtng in there that appeals your basic primitive instincts...just like the movie we're debating in this thread, lol!

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"I'm more of an OLD death/grind fan myself, groovy stuff like Benediction, Napalm Death or Brutal Truth."

Same here, i find the newer bands really boring, to be honest... NECRONY, early PUNGENT STENCH, BRUTALITY, early SINISTER, early CARCASS, etc. etc. etc. are the bands that do it for me.

"Cain and Abel will go to Heaven... if they can make it through Hell!" -Los Hijos Del Topo

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Pungent Stench...oh man, the memories! That's a freakin classic, man. "For God Your Soul...For Me Your Flesh" has to be one of the best Grind albums ever made.

EMBALMED IN SULPHURIC ACID!!!!!!! \m/

"Love and bruises"

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"Pungent Stench...oh man, the memories! That's a freakin classic, man. "For God Your Soul...For Me Your Flesh" has to be one of the best Grind albums ever made."

Amen, brother! It's amazing how few people appreciate that album these days... at least it seems that way. There are soooooooooo many amazing Death/Grind/Black/Doom albums from the late '80s/early '90s that bring back memories of innocence, hehehe...

"Cain and Abel will go to Heaven... if they can make it through Hell!" -Los Hijos Del Topo

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Hmmmmmmmm... was I just psycho-analyzed by this mofo? I think I was.
I suppose I could have worded my argument alittle better:
Pain and torture are amusing. They do let you experience feelings of disgust and depravity. However, I find them funny because to see acts performed so ordainly is hillarious. Take "Koroshiya Ichi" into example. After a groteque needle torture scen followed by the pouring of hot oil onto the back ond head of a man suspended in the air by hooks in his back, the torturer is asked "What the *beep* do you think you're doing!?" to which he replies "Just alittle torture."
It's funny because we make it funny. We make it ordinary. We desensitize ourselves because there is nothing better to do. And so what? Welcome to the modern world. It's all we have left to laugh at. Everything else has been done to death.

I'll swallow your soul!
Liberals suck...

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I watched it to look at the special effects. Thats basically all the video is to me.... a special effects showcase. I love gory films..... the guinea pig series is great..... they cut out all the things that films don't need, like "plot" and "acting" and just stick to the entertaining bits.

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I like to be shocked. I like scary, gross stuff. I'm not a big fan of actual torture, you know, what with the whole people really dying thing, but I do enjoy watching screwed up movies. I don't know why, but I can tell you I won't be going out and raping / murdering / whatevering people for the laugh. I see nothing wrong with it. It's much better than actually doing it.

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OK, firstly this is a ridiclously late response to previous posts, but here goes.
Whilst I love hardcore horror I wonder if the Guinea Pigs series (well 1 and 2 anyway)are a step to far. To present 45 plotless minutes of intense torture as entertainment and for such fair to find a fanbase is, I think, a worrying trend. That the films are ficton is immaterial-it's the viewers response to the violence that's key. In fact, if it's the realism of the films that fans find so 'entertaining' then as a logical progreesion would this kind of tortue porn be even more effective if the violence and death were actually real?

The trouble with pornography (and lets face it, the Guinea Pig Series is just that)is that it knows no bounderies-the films of Rob Black and the aforementioned Max Hardcore are testament to this.The more extremes are accepted, then the more they will proliferate into the mainstream. Actual snuff movies on the internet within ten years? Don't bet against it.

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To make a lot of MONEY.

Why?

Filmakers know there is a markert for this material out there - They are aware that there are a lot of frustated, dumb and tasteless people. Some are evil too and have no moral sensibility - but let´s stay away from the old good vs evil story even though we as humans sometimes take pleasure in other people´s pain.

Point is, you most likely suck if you dig watching this. Yes... 90% of you fans out there are what I like to call "inferiors" or just plain losers. The other 10% are just mentally ill...

I know that the truth hurts, but sorry!

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I'd like to see a film where a man is tortured by a gang of anoraks.

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Home Alone 2 is a far more violent film than this....

SILENCIO....

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I think the reason why these types of film exist is because cinema has become so engrained into our psyches and matured into a true expressionist artform.

Thats why we get sickly sweet films on one end the scale and sick films on the other.

To say you watch these films for fun is a little worrying, to say you watch/enjoy these films out of curiousity is proberly more appropriate. And proberly more accurate.

"Get to the chopper!"

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This is an old japanese film. I think it's mainly because of the competitive and strict society rules Japan has, some japanese are very into gore and stuff like this.
This is an amazing FX example of good work, by the make-up and art department. I think they want to show that they can "fool" people (hi, Charlie!), and become sort of a legend in this kind of films. They succeeded.

About those who said "torture is hilarious", I really hope non of you or your loved ones will ever have to live through that. My country (Chile) had 17 years of a very cruel right-wing military dictatorship, and some very close family members of mine gone through torture on those early days. It's something I hope NO ONE ever experience.

Why I am on this board? As a film student, we did some research about films like this one.

Please excuse my terrible redaction, english is not my native language.

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