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This Friday on 'TR 2070' ep 4 'Allure'


Aired Friday 8:00 PM Feb 09, 1999 on Showtime

Hume tries to stop a young woman's suicide. Will he succeed? Things gets puzzling and even weird when the woman shows up in unusual and unexplained circumstances.

STARRING

Michael Easton
David Hume

Karl Pruner
Ian Farve

Cynthia Preston
Olivia Hume

Michael Anthony Rawlins
Martin Ehrenthal

Judith Krant
Olan Chang

Matthew Bennett
James Calley

Monika Schnarre
Rachel Vespers/Marissa Lett

Robert Haley
Martin Brett

Damon D'Oliveira
Det. Moralez

Tig Fong
Charles Ho

Kevin Hare
Android Doorman

Todd Faithfull
Vari-Dyn Security Guard

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So it appears Hume and Farve have had the android talk and didn’t invite us to watch! Glad they worked it out. Now they have become team ‘don’t tell my wife’.

I guess all is not well in the Hume marriage. At least now I can stop hating on the scenes with them because they are not trying to present them as a well-balanced couple.

Upside: I think the actor playing Hume is getting a more natural rhythm.

Well, well we have women who have been altered to be more desirable to man. Look they even look great walking around in a shower curtain. What was that?

Lawyer seemed to take the fall although I think he was acting more as the pimp and would have little ability to ‘make’ the girls as they were.

I don’t have much to say about the storyline. It seemed fairly standard and I was waiting for some kind off twist at the end that did not come.

The pilot of this show maybe gave me too high of hopes. It does appear that next weeks’ episode is Infiltration and it is written by the writer of the pilot (who is also the creator of the show). It will be interesting to see what vibe it has.

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To begin, when Hume mentions the possibility of inviting Ian to dinner and that he hasn’t yet told his wife he’s working with an android, my “out of sequence” radar went off. Clear violation – obviously this episode should have aired before last week’s, when Ian and Hume seemed to have already bonded. But then when David gets home late to his wife’s dinner, she comments he should be glad she wasn’t in the sublimator. Oh, well that means she already has the sublimator which she got last week. So I guess the sequence we’ve been using is okay after all. Go figure. Can’t wait to see what happens when Olivia finds out Ian is an android, by the way.

Sadly, that little bit of banter mentioned earlier is about the only human vs. android bit in the entire show. Ian tells Hume he doesn’t sweat but keeps his cool by recycling body fluids. He means fluids like oils and lubricants within his system, but Hume thinks of other human bodily fluids and gets grossed out. For the rest of the show, the whole human/android clash is pretty much forgotten, barring them dealing with a doorman-type android or two.

The Hume marriage storyline is more front and center. She gets ticked off when he’s late for a romantic dinner, but when he tells her his honest feelings about being unable to stop a suicide she is sympathetic – though he gets a buzzkill afterward when they have sex and he sees the suicide girl instead. Later on, he stops home for a quick visit, but for once, she’s the one who has a project that can’t be put off. He goes back to work and then she sneaks into the sublimator – though we see that besides her father, she also has some tapes of her and David earlier in their marriage when he was more passionate. They work it all out in the end – for this week anyway. I’m not sure what to make of her, sometimes she seems like a great wife – other times, not so much.

At least we don’t have the evil corporation as a villain this week; we have a case of a company lawyer who is using an elaborate scheme to steal secrets from other company executives. It starts when Hume and Ian are called in on Rachel, a potential jumper. Hume seems to be getting through to her, but she takes the plunge anyway. When Ian arrived a few seconds later, I wished he had been faster, as he might have been able to grab her arm and pull her back up. But it didn’t matter as she was already dying and would have aged and deteriorated within a few hours anyway – jumping was probably a kinder death. The girl had a Darryl Hannah vibe to her, and I remember Darryl was probably the only thing I liked about BLADE RUNNER, a movie I really loathed.

Anyway, Hume spots her in a crowd later on and then finds out that there were two of them – the second being Marissa. The company lawyer/villain had “enhanced” her with pheromones and then Darryl Hannah cloning surgery to make her irresistible to men – particularly executives who will talk too much and give away company secrets, which then get recorded in his organizer file for corporate espionage purposes. Marissa steals the organizer to try to blackmail the lawyer into returning her to her old form, since the enhanced version has a flaw that causes your body to age prematurely and very quickly. She threatens the lawyer with a stunner gun, but Ian throws himself in its path when she fires – a sort of heroic android moment, except that Marissa had told the lawyer she’d have to shoot him thirty or forty times with the stunner to really do him any harm, so there wasn’t all that much danger. Olan Chang tries to create a formula to reverse Marissa’s fatal disease but alas, it doesn’t succeed and she suffers the same fate as Rachel. At least they catch the bad guy.

Things we learn this week:

1.) Don’t mess with genes. Didn’t they learn from last week’s episode? Extra protein equals deadly plague. Now, extra pheromones equals premature aging and death.

2.) When you warn your fellow cop about someone, be specific. Marissa pulled open a part of her dress and almost managed to seduce Hume, until he was interrupted by Chang. When he handed M off to another cop, he just said, “Watch out for this one,” without explaining why. As a result, the cop gets wowed by her pheromone spot and not only lets her go but gives her his gun.

3.) Don’t let strange women cry on you. Rachel’s pheromone-enhanced tear falling on Hume causes him to act dazed, and see other women’s faces when making love with his wife.

4.) In the future, big bad city construction will make the temperature on the streets 110 degrees. Or at least it will in the first ten minutes; it’s pretty much forgotten the rest of the show, except that everyone gets a nice cooling rain at the end.

5.) This show seems to want to end each week with an outside shot of the city. Well, it does!

Okay, some improvement with the storyline, but the marriage story seems old hat. Up or down? Up or down? Sigh, I’ll stay steady at 8 little vials of gold liquid that enhance your sexual experience (because increasing pheromone levels from 10 to 1000 and surgically creating the woman every man secretly desires apparently isn’t enough) except when it kills you. Gosh, I hate it when that happens.

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Brimfin
I thought the lawyer was not the one who did the enhancements. She talked about they and when Hume asked her about the lawyer she said "he's just the lawyer". I thought he had decided to use his roll as a "facilitator" of the women to get information and use it as blackmail or sell it but that he was not the brains of the operation.
Sorry Brimfin I thought this one was also talking about a corporation that had produced these girls. She said that it was not just the two of them and Hume and the chief felt the lawyer was taking the fall and they would not be able to charge the corporation (can't remember the name) for any crime.
I could be 100% wrong about all of the above.

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Brimfin
I thought the lawyer was not the one who did the enhancements. She talked about they and when Hume asked her about the lawyer she said "he's just the lawyer". I thought he had decided to use his roll as a "facilitator" of the women to get information and use it as blackmail or sell it but that he was not the brains of the operation.

Sorry Brimfin I thought this one was also talking about a corporation that had produced these girls. She said that it was not just the two of them and Hume and the chief felt the lawyer was taking the fall and they would not be able to charge the corporation (can't remember the name) for any crime.
I could be 100% wrong about all of the above. (lorkris)

No, you're probably right on both points. That's what comes from watching it on YouTube on my computer without any workable closed captioning system. I miss stuff and I don't like to try and go back and re-watch. I do remember the CPB boss saying something like that the company disowned the guy the minute suspicion fell on him as if they knew about it all along, but were just dumping him to cover themselves. The fact that neither of us remember the company's name just made it feel less corporate-related to me, although a corporation would logically have to be involved for things as complex as genetic engineering and reconstructive surgery.

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- The episode kept me interested enough all the way through. And it was better than last week’s. The threat of death is bad, but when a character has a mystery involved, and he or she may suffer a weird transformation instead of just death, things become much more interesting. And a young supermodel becoming an old rag makes things creepy enough. So, even though I normally don’t like procedures, this one worked well for me.

- So it’s a 200-story city. I still would like to know more about the geography and engineering involved. Are there 200-floor buildings from top to bottom, or is it 200 levels with tall buildings on each? Anyway, a city that big would generate a lot of heat, especially on the lower levels. But I suppose the upper levels would be colder and windier, and the air, more rarified. And I don’t think warm, acid, and polluted rain in the end would be of much help. It sure would carry lots of junk and filth from the upper levels to the lower ones. In many aspects, that would be an awful place to live in.

- Hume is dealing with Farve’s “android situation” like he was talking about his partner’s sexual orientation: a private matter. The thing is, it’s not a private matter. Since he doesn’t know anything about Farve, the android could be a danger. Even if Farve seems to be benevolent, what are the intentions of whoever build him and put him there in the first place? Won’t Farve suddenly malfunction and go berserk?

- So, both Rachel Vespers and Marissa Lett were turned into not only super pheromone factories, but also made to look like supermodels. More precisely, just like Monika Schnarre. My guess is that the plastic surgeon who did that had a 1990s supermodels catalogue and picked his favorite. Coincidently, Monika was in an episode of another Canadian sci-fi show, “Earth: Final Conflict”, in the episode “Second Chances” in which an old woman is transformed by a machine created by the Taelons and becomes this perfect example of human female. And becomes totally loyal to the aliens. So, she has experience playing perfect women.

- Things would’ve become so much simpler if Farve had handled Rachel and Marissa all along instead of Hume and Moralez. Farve is obviously immune to human pheromones. What’s the point of having an android in the force if you don’t make use of that situation?

- The EPK 2000 Organizer: don’t leave home without it. (Actually, it's a 1999 Toshiba Libretto 70). Ha! I used to have one like that (also by Toshiba) in the early 1990s. Coolest thing ever. It was a blue-screen laptop with a word processor, address book, and a couple other basic functions. Everybody wanted to buy that from me. The thing with TR 2070 and its technology is that the show uses real working machines (monitors, handheld devices), and because of that, they are more likely to look obsolete now.

- The exception made is the moving photograph Hume finds, and that’s closer to what a future smart phone or tablet would look like since it was paper thin. I just wonder what was the point of having the image move in a loop. Perhaps the writers wanted the “look, it’s a picture, and it moves, how futuristic” reaction. But the fact is that we enjoy pictures, and we enjoy movies. But animated gifs are irritating after a few seconds and we can’t stand to look at them after a little while. A better gadget would have been a paper that displayed holographic images which could be moved to different angles, and which could be zoomed into great detail.

- Is it my impression or was Olivia smoking hot this week? So, we had one more chapter in the complicated marital life of David and Olivia. As usual, a scene of sex in an inappropriate moment is the solution they find to handle an awkward moment. And Olivia “cheating” on David with happier memories of him from a happier moment in their relationship? Weird. Well, things could be much, much worse.

- So we finally see somebody use a pedicab. And Hume followed them in his motor vehicle. What I still want to see in TY 2070 is a low-speed rickshaw chase. “Follow that rickshaw! Don’t let him out of your sight. Now!” By the way, what kind of vehicle was Hume driving? (More like riding in, since these vehicles seem to drive themselves.) Was it an adapted golf cart?

- Marissa Lett’s file says, “EYES: HAZEL” yet her eyes are blue. First I thought it was a goof, and then I realized changing eye color must have been part of the surgical procedure. But in that case, they should have shown the “before” picture, not the “after” one.

- “I have a copy of your phone records if you care to review them,” says Farve showing a bulky floppy disk. OK, enough comments on outdated tech. I think the problem is that they called the show “total Recall 2070” instead of “Total Recall Alternate Universe.” If it were just an alternate universe, it would be easier to accept technological anachronisms in a futuristic world.

- Har, har. Puny futuristic ray gun! Doesn’t kill, and doesn’t affect an android. The cops might as well walk around with BB guns instead. No wonder David wouldn’t let go of that 70mm.

- “David, come home. The fish miss you.” Awwww! Huh? This shows suffers from clunky writing sometimes.

- “How beautiful was she anyway?”
“Not as beautiful as you.”
“Good answer.” And in my mind I completed it:
“No, you don’t get it. I know I’m supposed to say this kind of thing because you’re my wife, but you’re literally supermodel hot. Take my word.”
...And then he would spend the night on the living-room sofa.

- I thought the hot Chinese joint whose owner David knew was out of business… maybe the writers forgot that part.

- Nice episode with an intriguing case and a mysterious guest character. This episode deserves 8 EPK 2000 Organizers, now with a new and exciting monochromatic display and a reduced screen.

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This is an ok story which I'll come to shortly.
Firstly on the negative side ,I'm a bit surprised that the plot outlined in the pilot hasn't been followed up at all yet. I'm sure we'll get back to it but to just not mention it at all for the important first episodes was a risk.
Comparing this approach to a show made at roughly the same time, Babylon 5, tension would have been enhanced if during these early stand alone stories the writers had drip fed us some clues about the android memory/revolution arc .This is what happened on B5 ,the build up to the series arc gathered momentum whilst "procedural" stories sucked us viewers into the fictional world.
But everyone at the CPB seems to have forgotten all about it .
Getting back to this weeks show ,it's sad but inevitable that the "allure" pheromones enhancement drug is an escape route for underachieving women in a malecentric future. In this future selling their bodies is still an everyday occurrence as it is now I suppose. There are elements of this 2070 society that is sick , but the writers are spot on for realizing that human nature will lead us to this bleak dystopian future.
Sorry if I sound depressing,I am enjoying this show,and Michael Easton is growing on me ,as is the wonderful Karl Pruner.
I've got to admit not realizing that the same actress played both Rachel and Marissa ,and I hope we'll see more of slimeball Martin Brett ,I know he was charged at the end ,but I'm not sure what the CPB could actually make stick. He just seemed to be a middle man getting the girls out of trouble.Did he actually give the phialls to the girls to give to the clients?
7/10

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by michaellevenson1 » Firstly on the negative side ,I'm a bit surprised that the plot outlined in the pilot hasn't been followed up at all yet.(...) Comparing this approach to a show made at roughly the same time, Babylon 5, (...) the build up to the series arc gathered momentum whilst "procedural" stories sucked us viewers into the fictional world.

by lorkris » The pilot of this show maybe gave me too high of hopes.

Lawyer seemed to take the fall although I think he was acting more as the pimp and would have little ability to ‘make’ the girls as they were.

Yeah, expectations, expectations. That what seems to kill one's enjoyment of a show. I guess I was affected by negative ones when deciding about Star Cops as far as production values and the juvenile title are concerned, and we might be missing a good story. And I agree with the fact that Babylon 5 was better; in fact, it was an exceptional show.

The way I see things, in TR 2070 this is a world controlled by The Consortium. There are advantages (low crime rate, cool technology, for instance), but also disadvantages (little or no democracy, impunity of Consortium members. Hume tries to make a difference, but even he knows it's an uphill battle and his goal is not to subvert the system. he tries to fight within the rules the system provides. As martin says, "one step at a time." This is why he just moves on to th next case and accepts his losses.

The issues of the pilot might come back or not. maybe in mid-season. Maybe by the end of the season. Maybe sooner thn we think. I was thinking the fact they broadcast episode Six as Number Two might have something to do with that, though I honestly can't say for sure. I just hopes nobody jumps off the boat because of unfulfilled expectations. This can be an issue in every show we pick.

Another factor is the producers' decision to make it a procedural show. For us watching all episodes from beginning, or for those who like to binge watch, serialized stories fit better. But producers, for a long time, were worried about ratings and wanted to attract the occasional viewer all the time.

by brimfin » When you warn your fellow cop about someone, be specific. (...) When he handed M off to another cop, he just said, “Watch out for this one,” without explaining why. As a result, the cop gets wowed by her pheromone spot and not only lets her go but gives her his gun.

Yep. I'm surprised Hume didn't put Marissa under Farve's care to begin with. It's like in Star Trek, when Kirk, instead of Spock, decides to handle a situation humans are much more vulnerable to than Vulcans. If I had a partner/First Officer with super strength and other inhuman qualities, I'd sure use them.

But it didn’t matter as she was already dying and would have aged and deteriorated within a few hours anyway – jumping was probably a kinder death. The girl had a Darryl Hannah vibe to her, and I remember Darryl was probably the only thing I liked about BLADE RUNNER, a movie I really loathed.

She even wore the shower curtain Darryl used in "Splash." Well, well, and I thought I wouldn't live long enough to meet a human being who didn't like BLADE RUNNER. Well, well, we live and we learn. But how are you dealing with this show's predominant Blade Runner atmosphere? You seem to be handling it pretty well.

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Well, well, and I thought I wouldn't live long enough to meet a human being who didn't like BLADE RUNNER. Well, well, we live and we learn. But how are you dealing with this show's predominant Blade Runner atmosphere? You seem to be handling it pretty well. (madp)
Chalk it up to a bad experience. I watched the movie and saw a clichéd private eye type hunting replicants. You don't get brownie points with me when you start by shooting Joanna Cassidy, whom I really liked by then. Then came Darryl, who I thought was great not because she was pretty (she had that weird makeup on for this role) but she just seemed more human that anyone else in the movie - especially the lead. I know she tries to kill him with the leg lock over the neck and all, but well...he started it! At the end, I was rooting for him to fall off the side of the building, but incredibly the replicant saves him. So what that he ran off with Sean Young the replicant after that - I mean, heck, she's Sean Young! I know there have been director's cuts and all since then. Maybe someday, I'll look at it with fresh eyes and might see some messages and subtleties I missed before.

But I have to admit, even though I only saw the movie once, the minute I saw the TR2070 city, I thought BLADE RUNNER. The BLADE RUNNER connection doesn't bother me with the series, though. I didn't have any problem with the look of the movie, just the storyline. Even if this show becomes "kill the androids trying to achieve human consciousness" they have already effectively established how dangerous they can be and I would understand the need to hunt them down. The replicant being questioned going psycho at the beginning of BLADE RUNNER just wasn't sufficient for me.

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by brimfin » Chalk it up to a bad experience. I watched the movie and saw a clichéd private eye type hunting replicants. You don't get brownie points with me when you start by shooting Joanna Cassidy, whom I really liked by then.

That's the thing. Nobody said Deckard was supposed to be a "hero" or right or fair. He had a job and he did it. And in later versions it is even suggested that he could be a replicant himself. The whole story is supposed to question our definition of human, and our place in society.

To that you add the unique visual style and the music, besides the performance of the actors and the director's skills to combine all these elements. I understand the private eye character could be construed as a cliché, but other people would consider that a homage to the classical hard-boiled noir film gumshoe. Oh, boy, if you go to the Blade Runner board, you'll find pages and pages of discussions about things like that.

I was really impressed with Blade Runner when I saw it in a theater back in '82. But I remember leaving the movie thinking that it would make no sense for a company to make such perfect (and expensive) robotic models just for mining, while they were able to do much more and only caused trouble. Companies make products fit for a purpose and don't add extraordinary features just to see how things will turn out and then commercialize the product.

But as an allegory, the movie, though impractical, is totally fantastic.

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After failing to stop a young woman's suicide, David Hume is puzzled when he sees someone looking just like her. Things get weirder still when the suicide victim turns into a withered old corpse.

In this episode a lawyer uses an elaborate plan to use beautiful women to seduce men and obtain corporate information. David is called in when a suicide jumper (Rachel) jumps off of a building. The death of the woman heightens tensions between David and his wife as he begins to focus more on the jumper to the point of being obsessed with her. Later on David see's a woman (Marissa) who looks identical to Rachel which only heightens David's obsession.

When investigating the corpse of Rachel, David shockingly discovers that beautiful young Rachel has turned into a withering old corpse. David eventually finds Marissa and finds out that women are being injected with a certain chemical that increases pheromone levels to make the woman irresistible to men. They also include a cloning device which makes them look identically beautiful. The bad drawback to the injections is that it makes them age prematurely.

Marisa eventually steals a secrets in something that laughingly looks like a 1999 palm pilot. She tries to blackmail the lawyer and an eventual showdown occurs with David, Ian and the lawyer and Marisa. The lawyer is apprehended then there's an attempt by Olan to come up with an antidote for Marisa but it's unsuccessful.

There's also a subplot involving tension with David and his wife's marriage that seems will be a recurring storyline in this series.

Decent episode but a bit formulaic cop drama. I'd actually like to see them spend more time on the Total Recall aspect of the show rather than the police drama part.

The technology part of this show hurts the overall look & feel of the series, sometimes it feel like it's an early 1990's version of 2010.

Overall this show really feels much more like a tv version of Blade Runner than Total Recall.

I give it a 6 out of 10.

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You mentioned the technologies in the show hurting it or making it laughable ie. the palm pilot, my rule is never judge a show by the advances made years after it was made.
It is plainly unfair,any show that stands or falls by the FX , or production values alone is not worth anything.
This series has solid storytelling and ideas about a possible or "alternate" future.
If we judged on FX ,and accuracy of technological predictions alone then we'd condemn many classic series to the dustbin of history, UFO ,Dr Who, Blakes7,Logans Run to name a few.

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You mentioned the technologies in the show hurting it or making it laughable ie. the palm pilot, my rule is never judge a show by the advances made years after it was made.


I'm not "judging", I'm making an honest observation and just giving a review. It is kind of funny to see a show supposedly set in 2070 using 1999 technology that was obsolete in 2005.

This show seemed to make a decision to use functioning technology rather than using props so you end up getting these anachronistic disparities.

It is plainly unfair,any show that stands or falls by the FX , or production values alone is not worth anything.


When did I ever make that claim? I've giving all 4 episodes above average scores.

If we judged on FX ,and accuracy of technological predictions alone then we'd condemn many classic series to the dustbin of history, UFO ,Dr Who, Blakes7,Logans Run to name a few.


UFO had very good special effects and was only set 10 years in the future (1980) so that does't belong on the list.

Dr. Who and Blakes 7 were BBC shows that were always constricted by severe budgetary constraints. I'm aware of the shows but I never watched Dr. Who or Blake 7 so I can't comment on those two.

"Logan's Run" wasn't a good show in general and had very cheesy 1970's broadcast t.v. production values. That's not to say It can't be appreciated on a 1970's kitsch pop-culture level.

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UFO is an interesting case ,I included it because the look of it is so internally inconsistent, 60's fashion and too futuristic science,a mess , but a brilliant series I think in the top ten of all time.
OMG!! You've NEVER seen Dr Who so The Daleks means nothing,nor TARDIS?
Blakes7 is a bit cultish I know but it does have the greatest anti-hero of all time in Kerr Avon also FX that belong to the 1950's .Basically it's the opposite of Star Trek ,evil Earth Federation spreading misery galaxy-wide being opposed by freedom fighters ,worth a quick delve into to check it out.
The point about "judging" a series that bugs me is as follows; suppose a youngster says " I like Star Trek Voyager but the original series had budgetary constraints so I better stay clear of it" we'd think he's missing out big time. I suppose that's inevitable,...sad though.

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I have also made observations about the working technology "props" used in TR 2070. I think some shows seem to predict future changes better than others. I'm trying to think of a 1990s show that resisted to real technological without looking too outdated now. Perhaps a good example would be Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987) where they had eszats iPads and the Enterprise had "touchscreen" controls. I used to think theesse would become very sticky with finger prints and hand grease, but that has changed earlier than I expected, and new kinds of opaque film protecting tblets and smartphones seem to have avoided this problem, so it turns out LaForge didn't have to clean the display all the time after all. Some people might be thinking I'm too uptight to be even paying attention to details like that.

In more modern shows we have, for instance, Charlie Jade (2005), where computer monitors are just plain slabs of glass that come to life when turned on, and which allow us to see the back of the person speaking on the back of the transparent monitor. The same with The Lottery (2014) and cell phones. And in Extant (2014) the character use a translucid piece of plastic as a cell phone. All that seems like "correct" predictions. But I wonder if people in 20 years will say the same I said, or will laugh at these "absurd" predictions.

I wish it was easy to add pictures to our replies so I could illustrate my examples. I know we can still add links, but ever since the site administrator reprimanded me for breaking some obscure rule we're supposed to follow, I'm wary as far as adding links to outside sites is concerned.

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I have also made observations about the working technology "props" used in TR 2070.


Yeah, it seemed like their was concerted effort to use things that actually worked rather than come up with extremely futuristic stuff in CGI. This probably wasn't noticeable back in '99 but it's more noticeable in 2015. In many ways it's shocking how fast smart phones, computers, tablets, mp3 players, video & audio streaming, dvd's-blu ray, flat screen monitors and tv's have progressed in the last 20 years.

I was watching some Seinfeld episodes from 1994-95 and there are quite of number of plots that wouldn't exist now just because of cell phones. The plots hinged on someone being lost or miscommunication, or somebody couldn't find someone to give them a piece of information etc.

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by JohnQ1127 » I was watching some Seinfeld episodes from 1994-95 and there are quite of number of plots that wouldn't exist now just because of cell phones. The plots hinged on someone being lost or miscommunication, or somebody couldn't find someone to give them a piece of information etc.

I remember a scene from the cop show Wiseguy (1987) in which an undercover cop desperately tried to find a working phone booth to contact his handler in order to pass urgent information. Lack of communication also constitutes an important plot device in period shows like The Americans (2013) too.

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I remember a scene from the cop show Wiseguy (1987) in which an undercover cop desperately tried to find a working phone booth to contact his handler in order to pass urgent information. Lack of communication also constitutes an important plot device in period shows like The Americans (2013) too.


Yeah, it just drastic in terms of technology from 1995 up to today. I mean it's only 20 years but the change in computer access/availability, cell phones, smart phones etc is kind of unbelievable. I think we take it for granted. I just notice like I said in a Seinfeld episode. Simple things like caller ID we take for granted. I'm watching one episode and I'm thinking, "Why doesn't he just check the caller id and then I think, Oh that's right, caller ID was basically non existent". But the whole plot of the episode hinged on Jerry mixing up the voices on the phone. Or George running to Jerry's apartment because he doesn't have access to a phone. Or Jerry being able to pretend that he's "Vandalay Industries" or that he would have to answer the phone like that every time because there's no caller id.

It's not like entire plots became obsolete in "All In Family" from 1973 to 1993. I just watched about 15-20 Seinfelds where 2015 technology would render the plots obsolete.

I mean the phone basically stayed the same from the time I was 1 year old until I was in my mid 30's. The only thing that changed during that time period was touchtone, answering machines and cordless phones. Fast forward 20 years and pay phones are obsolete and people walk around with little computer phones with built in cameras and video recorders and music players in their pockets.

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It's also interesting how new technologies make an impact on TV shows. I remember finding it so cool how Mulder and Scully used tiny flip cell phones all the time. In the first seasons that seemed to ahead of its time. And in Journeyman (2007) I thought it was impressive how Dan Vasser always managed to use his iPhone to get the information he needed to solve one of his cases, and how his phone not working showed he had traveled in time. I thought mobile Internet was the coolest thing ever. Now, I have it and never use it.

Another show that calls our attention for the way technology is used (but with the opposite effect) is Pushing Daisies (2007). In it, technologies that already existed never appeared in the show, like cell phones. The Internet was used as a couple device a couple of times, but not heavily used by the detective character. The cars were vintage models mixed with modern ones, the TV sets, old black and white models, and there was even a huge tape recorder with tapes on large reels. All that to give the show a more traditional, nostalgia feel. All that set the show in a time period of its own.

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UFO is an interesting case ,I included it because the look of it is so internally inconsistent, 60's fashion and too futuristic science,a mess , but a brilliant series I think in the top ten of all time.


UFO was a cool looking show where they mixed late 60's fashion with what people thought was futuristic 1980 clothing. I remember the cars were pretty cool looking as well. I think what helped UFO was that it was only set 10 years in the future.

OMG!! You've NEVER seen Dr Who so The Daleks means nothing,nor TARDIS?


Yeah, I know what the Tardis is, that's that English police public phone box. The problem with Dr. Who in the U.S. was that it was never really broadcasted in the U.S. during the 60's-70's. If it was, it was broadcasted on these low budget low frequency local UHF channels. I remember it started showing up on those low level low budget cable channels in the late 70's. You started to see it a little more in the 1980's. My friend's geeky younger brother was obsessed with the show but most of us never watched it. There was always a geeky nerdish connotation surrounding the show.

I knew an English girl who recommend "Blake's 7" to me.

The point about "judging" a series that bugs me is as follows; suppose a youngster says " I like Star Trek Voyager but the original series had budgetary constraints so I better stay clear of it" we'd think he's missing out big time. I suppose that's inevitable,...sad though.


Well pre judging something before you actually see it is always wrong.

It's hard to say how people react to things as time goes on. Certain things age better than others. There's certain things in Star Trek that seem extremely dated now. Even something basic like the 1960's hairstyles or the chauvinistic way women are treated. Every piece of work that takes place in the future or the past is usually is more about the attitudes or topic of the time period in which it was produced. MASH for example had more to do with the early 1970's and the Vietnam war than the 1950's and Korea.

The strength of a show like Star Trek was that the writing and the stories were great.

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by JohnQ1127 » Well pre judging something before you actually see it is always wrong.

Can you judge a book "by its cover"? Well, I'd say you can and we have to have some criteria to filter all the immense cultural and entertainment input we have nowadays. But of course we can often be surprised by misjudging something. Sometimes you learn of something good only years later. (For instance, I still have to watch the Lord of the Rings movies, but still haven't found the will to do so, let alone read the books.) But other times, you just confirm it: yep, I was right all along. I shouldn't have wasted my time with it.

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Can you judge a book "by its cover"? Well, I'd say you can and we have to have some criteria to filter all the immense cultural and entertainment input we have nowadays.


Well yeah, you have a point. In a sense we "judge" something if we decide to see it or not to see based on a small set of criteria. I notice it's getting very hard because we're inundated with so much different information and content now.

I guess we all self edit quite a bit now just because of the mountains of media that available to us now.

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