Show's judgment of Characters - Sex and the City (1998) Discussion

[–] chattenoire-1 8 years ago

Really interesting question.

Sam and Charlotte were judged as you described.

Miranda was judged by Carrie twice; the first time, when Miranda told her she would no longer support her relationship with Big, and the second time, when she decided to move to Paris with Aleks.

Carrie was judged (very weakly) by Charlotte over her financial management and by Miranda in the confrontations described above. Stanford judged her over her self-centeredness. Aidan judged her by dumping her after she confessed her affair with Big.

A good film or tv series shows, not tells, and Sex and the City did this effectively. We see the effects of Sam's sexual behavior on her life - being socially shunned, for one thing.

Carrie has garnered so much dislike and contempt from viewers after the first seasons, and this is due to the writing encouraging the viewers to judge her. Examples would be her affair with Big, how un-classy she seemed when she ambushed Natasha in the restaurant, how she carried on seeing Big after she got back together with Aidan, including forcing Aidan to accept him, etc.

Personally, I thought Carrie was judged too harshly and did not get enough credit for her generosity toward her friends. She was impulsive and immature and paid a heavy price for her poor planning and bad decisions, but despite her flaws, she always came through for her friends.

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[–] lrdcharlton 8 years ago

Carrie- I pretty much agree with you that she wasn't judged enough. Though I think out of the 4 she actually paid for the mistakes she made in her life. Miranda and Charlotte told her the hard. Truth about her situation with the affair. Samantha offered nothing of my real substance. She was put in her place in the end by Natasha as her intentions where still self-centered as she really didn't understand the damage she caused.

Miranda- She wasn't really judged that often, but she often learned her lessons on her own and se actually grew the most as person. She toned down her controlling inconsiderate ways. I think Charlotte and Carrie judging her when she found out she was pregnant was actually helpful as she seemed to want to abort him without even considering the idea of keeping it. She didn't even want to tell Steve because she was afraid he would want to have it. Had they not injected their view she may have proceeded without consideration. as far as judging others she should be a little caustic and unwavering, but she showed that se truly cared for her friends which is why she was a bit harsh with them.

Charlotte- She needed to be judged more. I didn't take the judgment the girls had on her overly-perfect fantasy life. Though se claimed to be more emotionally friendly she did I some very questionable things such as the 1 million dollar prenup or feeling like she was entitled to the McDougal apartment. She needed to be told about her victim role in her marriage to Trey as she didn't learn the mistakes she made which led to demise of her marriage to Trey.

Samantha- Probably the one worthy of the most judgment but did not receive it. She was never directly or seriously judged by any of the girls scepter a few times by Charlotte. The only hints at judgement was displayed through jokes about her, even then they walk on eggshells lest she feels judged. Out of the four she needed the most judgement Her approach to life was was so far removed from what is considered decent tio the point that her issues were almost pathological.

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[–] j-curl 8 years ago

What "awful" guys did Samantha and Charlotte date?

My favorite New York moments:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ0Sqmnle6Y

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[–] nshine 8 years ago

The S&M investment banker that Samantha goes on a date with in the Freaks episode was awful!
Funky spunk guy
Richard could be a real jerk
Dominic was also a jerk
The baby talk guy
The investment banker that got arrested

Charlotte went out with that guy who was obsessed with BJ's
She went out with the uncircumsised guy
The threesome guy
The guy that dumped her at the wedding cause his dad felt her up
the guy that made out with the other girl while char and him were on a date

That's all I can think of off the top of my head, but that's a lot of bad guys!!

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[–] lrdcharlton 8 years ago

Charlotte- The dude that beat up nearly everyone they came across.
the guy she was on a date with and when she refused to have sex with him caught a cab with her to find someone else to have sex with.
The bad kisser
The guy who only wanted to um "eat out".
The guy who freaked out because of the size of her apartment.

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[–] j-curl 8 years ago

Charlotte- The dude that beat up nearly everyone they came across---Yeah, he was a jerk.'

the guy she was on a date with and when she refused to have sex with him caught a cab with her to find someone else to have sex with--If he was a jerk, then Charlotte was just as much of a selfish bitch here, because she was only considering how she wanted to have sex, and disregarded how he wanted to have sex.

The bad kisser--How was he a jerk?
The guy who only wanted to um "eat out--How was he a jerk?
The guy who freaked out because of the size of her apartment--How was he a jerk? So being surprised at the size of her apartment suddenly makes him a massive ass hole?

My favorite New York moments:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ0Sqmnle6Y

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[–] lrdcharlton 8 years ago

Sorry, I got carried away and started listing undesirable dates.
The guy who wanted sex, I do not understand what your saying. Are you suggesting she was wrong for holding off, It's been some time, I don't remember all the specifics.

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[–] tinasparklesau 8 years ago

The guy who only wanted to um "eat out--How was he a jerk?

When Charlotte tried to engage him in real conversation outside of bed, he was vague and dismissive of her questions and then made a lewd mouth gesture with an oyster or lychee. He sent a very clear signal that he was not interested in anything but her lady garden. Maybe not a jerk, but rude and creepy

The guy who freaked out because of the size of her apartment--How was he a jerk? So being surprised at the size of her apartment suddenly makes him a massive ass hole?

Actually, when he saw her apartment he started yelling and ranting about another rich b*tch (or words to that effect).

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[–] j-curl 8 years ago

The S&M investment banker that Samantha goes on a date with in the Freaks episode was awful!
Funky spunk guy--How was this guy a jerk?
Richard could be a real jerk--Samantha was just as much of a bitch as Richard was a jerk. She wasn't kinder than him at all.
Dominic was also a jerk--Again, Samantha was just as much of a bitch as this guy was a jerk.
The baby talk guy--I'm not remembering what he did that would be such a jerk move.
The investment banker that got arrested--Ok, yeah, he's a criminal.

My favorite New York moments:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ0Sqmnle6Y

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[–] Moonlighty 8 years ago

Why such a strong desire to harshly judge people?

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[–] beja-4 8 years ago

I honestly don't get this wave of new moralism that has affected this board recently, or the last year. It's whore here, and it's slut there, those words are more or less mentioned in every other sentence. And there're judgements en masse. It's as if a giant wave of Jehovah's Witnesses has swept across the board and knocked on every other door. Yes, what's up with this strong desire to harshly judge people?

And what I get even less is, why watch a show where you seem to detest most of the characters? I'm not an especially fan of horror films, but it wouldn't even cross my mind to look up the board and just complain about it.

This used to be a fun board, we've had really great times here, and LOLed sooo much. But that seems to be in the past.

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[–] Moonlighty 8 years ago

You are totally right, beja. This board used to be more fun.

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[–] lrdcharlton 8 years ago

Dear god, I know. How dare people have morals. It's the 21 century, so lets go and sleep with everyone no matter the consequence. Not sleeping with married people, bah, what a Victorian attitude. Only fundamentalist bible toting Christians follow that type of silliness.

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[–] beja-4 8 years ago

 You just become more and more pathetic, seriously. I knew you would bounce up and respond directly. You are soo predictable. It hurts feeling targeted, doesn't it, Charlton? But thanks for proving my point. Did you get The Watchtower when they stopped by?

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[–] nshine 8 years ago

I wasn't trying to judge anyone and I think all the characters have good aspects to them. I'm just analyzing the tone of the show, how the writers and directors judged characters and how they judged each other. I wanted to see what everyone thinks about the tone of the show. If you want more exciting, less judgmental discussion topics how about you guys start them? There's good and bad in everyone, including the people on this board.

This show is so incredibly relatable to me because I am a young, single female living in a large city looking for love while building my career. That's why I've always liked this show. Many of the situations that these women get into I've gotten into myself. This is my favorite show, so I'm down to analyze everything related to it.

Also, I must say that the bullying on this board is ridiculous! Why does everyone have to trash each other? I don't care if we judge characters on the show...but judging people you meet through a computer is pretty pathetic.

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[–] lwangels0 8 years ago

It's as if a giant wave of Jehovah's Witnesses has swept across the board and knocked on every other door. Yes, what's up with this strong desire to harshly judge people?

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Couldn't agree more.

This board has become horrible, full of judgemental bigots that throw awful insults about modern women around.

I had to put certain people on ignore as couldn't bare it any longer. I respect others opinions but cant tolerate judgement and ugly insults.

"What you don't like rice? Tell me Michael, how can a billion Chinese people be wrong?"

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[–] beja-4 8 years ago

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Definitely so! Don't really know what has happened lately, but this board has turned into a mix of insults and judgements, and the primarily target is the modern woman, just as you said.

I've just done the same, put certain people on ignore, and that doesn't happen often. I also respect others opinions, but judgements and insults are never okay. And when you post things that are personal to you, and it's turned against you, for lack of arguments, that's a really low-water mark.

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[–] lrdcharlton 8 years ago

A person who supports infidelity, that's an e ven lower mark.

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[–] beja-4 8 years ago

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[–] lwangels0 8 years ago

A wise move Beja.

Seriously what does he see in this programme? He clearly looks his nose down at the entire premise of it.

"What you don't like rice? Tell me Michael, how can a billion Chinese people be wrong?"

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[–] beja-4 8 years ago

Thanks lwangels, nice change of username! :) I guess you did the same.

That's the thing though, I really don't know what has flown into him lately. He didn't act this way just a couple of months back, and I used to like him. Which makes things even odder... 

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[–] lwangels0 8 years ago

Haha thanks. Yeah my last one was too long. I'm on my phone now so have no idea what will come up next

You are right though, I also never minded him before. I often liked some of his posts. Then after time it was slut here, whore there. The nail in the coffin was calling Brady an illegitimate bastard. People may have different opinions but I sure as F don't have to listen to them.

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[–] Murphed87 8 years ago

How can you make fun of a religion then in the same paragraph chastise people for being judgmental when you are doing the same. There could be Jehovah Witnesses posting on this board so it seems somewhat hypocritical for you to be making such offensive statement's. Have you ever considered that maybe the people who you claim are wrongly judging people are right?

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[–] beja-4 8 years ago

First of all, Jehovah Witnesses is a religious community, like many other religious organizations, not a religion in itself.

I'm not the one who's judgemental, nor was my post offensive, I only observe facts. People in this thread are judgemental and use words I myself would never do. Nor am I making fun of Jehovah Witnesses, they are what they are. I used the comparison because I do think those people are judgemental, and I truly stand by that;

In the apocalyptic belief of the community, it is central to the current world order – that is the great political and religious systems, not the earth – will be destroyed, and the people who have chosen to not follow the Jehovahs God's principles will be destroyed too. God, who sees what is in our "Hearts" however, will allow all right-minded people to survive, and both good and evil dead people will be resurrected in the resurrection, so they are able to learn about him, and his promise of eternal life. After which they will be able to live an eternal life in an earthly paradise - if they decide for themselves to belong to the will of Jehovah.

The members don't consider themselves part of the "world" - that is the existing world order. The Judgement Day is close according to the Jehovah Witnesses and the community is well known for the intensive proselytizing by including personal calls for example, knocking on doors, etc.

Jehovah Witnesses believe themselves that they are the only true Christian community, as they strive to emulate and organize themselves, like the first Christian churches. Therefore, they reject all cooperation with what they call "Christianity" (that is, other churches) that they see are not organized in the same way, and therefore are influenced by other organizational philosophies or leaderships.

Edit for link; https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovas_vittnen

And in all honesty, I couldn't care less if people on this board are Jehovah Witnesses, fine by me. But don't drag your sh.t to a message board and judge other people for not having the same way of thinking as you have. It wouldn't even cross my mind to watch a show, which is clearly very open-minded when it comes to sex, race, sexual orientation, fashion, nudity, prejudices, etc., if I didn't like it. But hey, that's me. I try not to judge anyone, and I rarely do on this board, everyone's entitled to their opinions, but don't shame others because they don't have the same opinion as you. That goes for a couple on this board, and especially in this thread, and that goes for you as well.

Have you ever considered that maybe the people who you claim are wrongly judging people are right?

As long a one has an open mind - everything is just fine.

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[–] Murphed87 8 years ago

First of all, Jehovah Witnesses is a religious community, like many other religious organizations, not a religion in itself.

That is a very silly pint to make. Jehovah Witnesses is a religion and its members comprise it into a religious community

I thought that I was being presumptuous about what you were saying, but then I read another reply from you

Did you get The Watchtower when they stopped by?

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So that brings me to the conclusion that you are making fun and putting the JW in a bad light.

And in all honesty, I couldn't care less if people on this board are Jehovah Witnesses, fine by me. But don't drag your sh.t to a message board and judge other people for not having the same way of thinking as you have. It wouldn't even cross my mind to watch a show, which is clearly very open-minded when it comes to sex, race, sexual orientation, fashion, nudity, prejudices, etc., if I didn't like it. But hey, that's me. I try not to judge anyone, and I rarely do on this board, everyone's entitled to their opinions, but don't shame others because they don't have the same opinion as you. That goes for a couple on this board, and especially in this thread, and that goes for you as well.

Why are you so angry? If I made a mistake or misunderstood you, you could explain in a less hostile way that does not include profanity.Reading you post in this thread and others gives me the idea that you have some problems with peoples opinion that are not as open minded, if you didn't care then why would you respond in a hostile manner. When I saw your post I did not respond with hostility. I am sorry if I have made you very angry because that wasnt my intention, I was just saying to be careful about what you say as it can hurt others. This board seems to have people who say they do not judge, yet they are critical of others opinions. I will pray for you as you seem very angry for no reason.

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[–] Moonlighty 8 years ago

Any religion that comes to unsuspecting people's doors and tries to convert them is silly and annoying and I feel confident that has converted no one ever, so it's not an unfair judgement. No one enjoys. No one in the history of ever has ever enjoyed someone showing up unannounced trying to push beliefs on them.

Plus it's not like you are in any way offended by what beja said, you clearly just want to be argumentative for the sake of arguing and were just looking for something to nitpick at.

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[–] Murphed87 8 years ago

Nitpick? That is nonscence, I was making a relevant point. I will not be attacked in the manner she did for pointing out an offensive remark.I was offended as I am a person who respects other peoples religion and I have JW friends.I will not listen to the words of an unhappy, crude person like you.

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[–] beja-4 8 years ago

First of all, Jehovah Witnesses is a religious community, like many other religious organizations, not a religion in itself.

That is a very silly pint to make. Jehovah Witnesses is a religion and its members comprise it into a religious community 

Okay, silly or not, but no, they are still not a religion. At least that's what they say themselves, on their own Swedish website, which I ran through Google Translate;

Is Jehovah Witnesses a sect?

No, Jehovah Witnesses is not a sect. We are Christians who do our best to imitate Jesus Christ and live by his teachings.

What is a sect?

People understand the word "sect" in different ways. Here are two common perceptions of what a sect is and why they don't fit in on us:

Some think that a sect is a new or unorthodox religion. Jehovah Witnesses has not formed a new religion. We follow the first Christians patterns and teachings, which are recorded in the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:16, 17) We believe the Bible to be the authority on how to worship God in the right way.

Some believe that a sect is a dangerous religious movement with a human leader. Jehovah Witnesses don't believe that any man is their leader. Instead, we stick to what Jesus said would apply to his followers: "One is your Leader, the Christ." (Matthew 23:10)

Jehovah Witnesses is far from being a dangerous sect. Instead, we practice a religion that is beneficial to our own members and others in the community. For example, our faith has helped many people to overcome harmful habits, such as drug and alcohol abuse. In addition, we hold literacy classes around the world, where thousands have been helped to learn to read and write. And we are fully engaged in disaster relief. We work hard to have a positive influence on others, just as Jesus urged his followers to do. (Matthew 5: 13-16)

https://www.jw.org/sv/jehovas-vittnen/faq/%C3%A4r-jehovas-vittnen-en-sekt/

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Did you get The Watchtower when they stopped by?.

So that brings me to the conclusion that you are making fun and putting the JW in a bad light.

Whatever conclusion is fine by me. But that's not making fun of Jehovah, that's teasing Charlton.

Why are you so angry? If I made a mistake or misunderstood you, you could explain in a less hostile way that does not include profanity.Reading you post in this thread and others gives me the idea that you have some problems with peoples opinion that are not as open minded, if you didn't care then why would you respond in a hostile manner.

I'm not angry, I answered your questions and then I told you my opinion, what's hostile about that? If you choose to interpret it that way, that is on you, I'm sorry to say.

When I saw your post I did not respond with hostility. I am sorry if have made you very angry because that wasnt my intention, I was just saying to be careful about what you say as it can hurt others. This board seems to have people who say they do not judge, yet they are critical of others opinions. I will pray for you as you seem very angry for no reason.

Well, that's debatable. If someone who don't know me and who've been on IMDb for two weeks, judge me based on what's said in this thread, I find it very odd when someone reply to me with this:

"How can you make fun of a religion then in the same paragraph chastise people for being judgmental when you are doing the same. There could be Jehovah Witnesses posting on this board so it seems somewhat hypocritical for you to be making such offensive statement's. Have you ever considered that maybe the people who you claim are wrongly judging people are right?"

I don't know who you are, if you're a Jehovah Witness yourself, but thanks, but no thanks, I don't need any of your prayers, I'll be fine. This board is the Sex and the City's board and normally it's high ceilings, as we say where I'm from, and no offence, but somehow I feel that you're in the wrong place. Because all you have done on this board so far, is to complain about other opinions. And now I've got yet another reply from you, once again asking what my problem is. Seriously, don't you have better things to do?

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[–] Murphed87 8 years ago

My post was not offensive and was addressing something that concerned me. You seriously are a very rude person just like the another poster. You need prayer. I have only been reading this board for a few days for a show that I love, and for stating things that I was concerned with in your post in a polite manner and you act like a crazy person.Other people seem nice but you and another poster, I think my correspondence with you is done.

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[–] beja-4 8 years ago

Well, you certainly don't have a nice approach, considering being on IMDb for two weeks. Even if things do concern you, you have to learn that everyone doesn't have the same opinion as you have, and that goes for everything, including Jehovah Witnesses. And I fully agree with what Moonlighty said about them (thanks Moonli!).

I'm rarely - if ever - rude to someone, unless first being provoked. I think you need to talk to your other self, so tell Charlton... well, never mind. But you're absolutely right, our correspondence is done.

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[–] lrdcharlton 8 years ago

Why the hell are you bringing me into your crap? Break up with another married boyfriend? Keep my name out of your issues and if you want to say something the address me directly.

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[–] beja-4 8 years ago

This message has been hidden because the poster is in your ignore list: lrdcharlton

Please, Charlton, you have been on ignore for almost half a year now, and you still are. So I can't read what you say, stop replying to me. Thank you.

@Moonli. I just have to explain that I completely mistook x-wing_pilot with lwangels for some odd reason, the reply about the little emo banging his head to the wall. Just to set the record straight.

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