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New Perspective Challenge - Minor Spoiler Warning

posted 13 years ago by aoc777
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OK, here is the challenge:

Re-watch the movie and assume that the Bergman character is an old David. He is pretty much a broken character looking back on one of his more catastrophic relationship failures; a retrospective of an old man (about to die?). He tries to see what happened from Marianne's perspective, to understand what he really did many years ago, the impact, a gesture of self-torture. Watching this makes this ... well, I shall await your opinions.

Here are some changes to my perspective in summary:

When I did so, the lack of knowledge of what happened to Isabelle is quite understandable. He even only knows the fate of Marianne in a very remote manner only ... his haunted and pained look becomes a carrying part of the movie. The whole story and why the Bergman character was there falls into place and makes sense. Please note: The David character only had a first name and the Bergman character only a last name ... coincidence? Overall the story really came together for me and had even more impact.

[–] Bree_33 10 years ago

Great post.

Bergman/old David summons his muse in the form of a memory . But how reliable is Memory ?

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[–] gorod-1 9 years ago

Hi,

your perspective actually fits declarations by Liv Ullmann on an interview with Roger Ebert.

She is talking about Ingmar Bergman, and about this movie, and she says:

"He cannot forgive himself. I told him two years ago: 'You have to forgive yourself for whatever betrayal you have committed.' 'I cannot forgive myself.' he said. That's why I made a scene where he appears with himself as a young man, and forgives that young man, even if he can't forgive himself as an old one."

So, the old man is Bergman (that's what it says in the final credits), and the scene where David shows and the old man touches his face gently is described by Liv Ullmann as the old Bergman forgiving the young Bergman.

Or changing the names around, like you said: the old David forgiving the young David.

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