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The End of the World - a contradiction


Okay, I am well aware that the filmmakers didn't want to focus on the reason the world was ending, and I actually think that was a very smart move. But here's my issue:

There is no possible reason for the end of the world. Not one. It's not that they just didn't tell us what it is, it's just that (with the evidence presented in the film), there is no possible explanation. Before you chastise me, let's look at the evidence:

1) The world will end at precisely midnight. The measure of time is a manmade function. Man has decided to measure time in seconds, minutes, days, years, etc. So the fact that the world will end at precisely midnight means that the end of the world must be of a manmade origin. (A corellary would be the Y2K fiasco. People thought midnight before the year 2000 would bring about disaster because of manmade devices...computers).

2) It is light 24 hours a day. Unlike #1, this is a natural phenomenon. I can fathom no (even remote) explanation in which man could make daylight exist all day long. This could only be caused as something as powerful as the sun, or the sun itself.

So what's the problem? The problem is the only two facts the film gives us about the end of the world directly contradict each other. One implies the end of the world is manmade; the other implies the end of the world is celestial. They cannot exist together.

To think otherwise would be to assume that scientists have pinned the time of a celestial event (i.e. the sun exploding) to a precise, specific SECOND, and that this second happens to be (coincidence, coincidence) at exactly midnight (to the second). I'm all for suspending disbelief, but this is too much.

Again, I understand that the purpose of the film was not to dwell on this issue. And I'm glad that they didn't. So please, no posts about that. My only criticism is that the two bits of evidence they do give us about the end of the world directly contradicts the other. The filmmakers should have stuck with one or the other (the world will end at midnight or it is light 24 hours a day) instead of both.

Please post your thoughts.

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Would you buy into the movie's "end of the world" if it took place at, say, 2:37 AM?

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Of course it would make more sense. To think that the world will end at midnight (in America) is stupid and something only ignorants will buy. It doesn't occur to those people that midnight to them is not midnight in the rest of the world's time zones! Why should their time zone be so special when midnight already occured in most of the world already? I laugh at the stupid religious americans (and whoever) that thought armageddon would strike at midnight as the year turned to 2000. Those morons would already be dead for many hours if armageddon would actually have occured, since the new year would first come in the pacific ocean, almost a day before America's time zones.
A technical error that goes off at midnight somewhere in America causing the world to explode could be acceptable, but even then there are several time zones in America, so there can be no "midnight" without specifying which time zone we are talking about.

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The only real complaint against this movie's time for the end of the world is that it takes place on the hour, not midnight. Whatever the situation was that causes the end of the world, it happens on the hour, so it'll be midnight somewhere in the world. In the scenario presented in the movie, midnight falls in the Eastern time zone. For folks living in the Pacific time zone, the end of the world is at 9:00 PM. Headlines like "End of the World at Midnight!" are not circulating in newspapers in British Columbia. The director chose to locate his story where the end of the world happens at midnight, hence Toronto. If the end of the world was in the Pacific time zone, the movie would take place in Vancouver, and all those people we met in Toronto (David Crononberg, Sarah Polley, Sandra Oh) would be preparing for the end at 3:00 AM.

What it boils down to is this. The end of the world happens on the hour, or on the half-hour if you're living in one of those isolated time zones. Midnight falls in the Eastern time zone, and the director chose to point his camera there.

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I take it from your post that you're quite fond of Americans.

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The details of the End are of no significance for this film. It is all about how various human beings deal with the End. Don't waste time trying to understand the details of the End. You will miss the point all together.
This movie was a careful study of the human psyche. I mean imagine if you knew the end was inevitable, wouldn't you just submit to the fact? Or would you flip out?
Thats what the movie tries to tackle, and in my opinion it does it successfully. The user comment posted on the movie's page is accurate and insightful, if you haven't read it.

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Hehe, to some extent you are correct, but I don't label all americans as morons or anything like that. But there are a lot of wacko people, not only in USA.

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Also, this is a CANADIAN film with CANADIAN actors. This film has nothing to do with America or Americans!

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ok, i'll post this again here.
In Toronto at midnight, at the end of December when the sun should be very low in the sky (the effect of the tilted earth's axis in winter solstice), and on the other side of the globe (because it's midnight), it was almost directly overhead in the film. midnight was chosen purposefully, as was christmastime in the script, to show the extreme peculiarity of the sun's behavior. It was done with full intent and forethought, and we who live in the northern hemisphere know that at midnight in december the sun is directly through the earth. had I been paying attention in the beginning, i'd have been looking for two apparent light sources in the first few minutes of the movie, because darkness in winter should occur around 6 pm. if the other light source is shown, it cannot be the sun. it has to be a comet, or the moon, or some other wackyiness.

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Actually, there's a line in the film during the Christmas ceremony that explains that this is not, in fact, Christmas time. I'm not sure we know precisely what time of year it is, but when I rewatch this, I'll be watching for it. Regardless, you are correct. It should have been dark, and this is also mentioned in the end, "It's times like this I miss when it got dark." or some such.

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actually, if you pay attention, it's not christmastime. only the guy don mckellar was playing was doing anything related to christmas, and that was because his mother was unable to cope with the end, and was trying to live out her last day in a way that related to happier ones.

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I thought Canada was located on the mass of land known as North America, which together with South America, is AMERICAN, otherwise it wouldn't be called North AMERICA. To say Canada has nothing to do with America in this context is ignorant, not to mention the fact that the time zones in question is the same for USA and Canada, and it was the time zones that were important here.

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Wow...just...wow.

/rant

This movie is a piece of art, not a summer blockbuster like Armageddon or Deep Impact. It's focus is on what people are going to do with the rest of their lives and human nature. "Hey, the world is going to end in a couple of hours, lets talk about why!"isn't part of the artistic vision. Do we look at a Picasso and say,"Hey, she has both her eyes on one side of her head, she in't a Halibut...what a piece of garbage"

/end rant

go back to eating your popcorn

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"Do we look at a Picasso and say,"Hey, she has both her eyes on one side of her head, she in't a Halibut...what a piece of garbage" "
Yes, many people, including myself, will say that.

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Or, to be exact, Canada IS part of North America, just as much as the United States are. North America is a continent, for God's sake! On this God's green Earth there is no nation by the name America! And there never was!

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It is really frustrating being referred to as an "American" when you are a "Canadian".

If you want to generalize everyone on this continent, then at least say "North American". Canadians like to be seen as Canadians, not America Junior.

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Actually Canadians are Americans, so it has plenty to do with Americans. The US stops at Canada and Mexico, but America goes almost from pole to pole.

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As an American, I have to say, there are a ton of morons here

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Just a thought from someone who hasn't seen the movie but....

It would seem to me that scientists have determined to the exact second when the world is going to end, so perhaps communities, provinces, states, countries, etc. all over the world have simply chosen THAT precise moment to call "midnight," in order to have this exact countdown.

That would explain why "midnight" would occur in the middle of the day.

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The chances of being hit at midnight are 86,400:1 , so I guess it could happen.
In any case, a *white light coming from the sky* is a metaphor, not a celestial phnomenon.

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it's not a metaphor. the sun is a supernova. it's exploding outward before either caving into a singularity or becoming a dwarf. simply put, the world is ending because our sun has burned itself out.

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You've still missed the point. Most likely, the reason for the conflicting bits of evidence is to discourage any effort to 'read in' any particular theory of why the world is ending. As you seem to know, that's not what the movie is about - it's about how various people deal with the certain knowledge of imminent death. It's an artificial situation on purpose.


I am the final word.

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I'll put it this way. A film need not be completely realistic, but is plausible if it sets inviolable "ground rules" early on in the film. Even then, this isn't a hard-and-fast rule (and I slammed "The Terminal" accordingly :P ). Anyway, the one "ground rule" that is set is that the world will end at midnight, and we are not told why, merely because everyone has seemingly become so desensitized to the fact. It's clear that they've known for a while, as Patrick has had time to plan exactly the way he wants to go out of the world. And, well...you know the rest.

I tend to think that, although we're never explicitly told, in the last minutes of the film, it's implied that it has something to do with the sun, as there's an explicit shot of the sun looking "hot" and pulsing, to a degree. If it were the sun consuming the Earth, which is scientifically supported, then it would still be unrealistic, as, while it is believed that the Earth will be consumed by the Sun in another 3 billion years or so, it is also theorized that life on Earth will cease only 1 billion years from now, due to the Sun getting too hot for life on Earth.

So yeah...all around it is "unrealistic," but the only reason it works for me is because they set the necessary ground rules immediately in the film, so as to make suspension of belief likely. If this had been a love story that, out of the middle of nowhere at the end of the movie, we're then told the world is ending, then that'd be a whole different story. It would be a pretty crappy way to tell a story.

Overall, though, I think it works, even if it isn't perfect.

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Many are correct, the "ground rules" don't state the reason life on Earth is ending. And xedion is correct, it cannot be a Nova or Red Giant phase of the Sun.

And although it makes no difference to the story, I'm going to take a stab at the reason: A massive asteroid/planetoid/planet is colliding with Earth. How does this fit with the storyline?

- Observations would predict when the object would strike, certainly within a minute (the observations would get more accurate as the impact neared). Remember that the moment of "the end" is not perdicted to the second - the dialoge at the end runs (approximatly): "Wait until you're sure." "How will I know, this has never happend before?" "You'll know."

- An object with a high libedo factor (percentage of light reflected) would, as it gets closer, reflect sunlight back upon the Earth. We are never told how long the darkness has not been a factor in Earth life - but given the way the sheets and blankets are hanging off of curtain rods - it might not have been but a week or so. Also, this would explain why life was ending *near* midnight - the object is comming from the direction opposite the Sun.

- As the object began to enter our atmosphere, a definate "pulsing" would occur, as the air being pushed out of the way would distort the light - but it wouldn't matter for long.

Of course, this is all my $0.02

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Good observations!

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Guantanamera
Guajira Guantanamera....

still get chills...amazing ending, even if you don't over-anylize it

Every man has his own way to betray the Revolution, this is mine ~ Leonard Cohen

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"An object with a high libedo factor (percentage of light reflected)"

Actually, that would be "albedo."

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I stand corrected. Apparently my mind was in an excited state that day...

But, when you think about it, a high libedo might explain the "attraction" in the first place <groan> Sorry, had to do it...

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Just to clarify, the chances of being hit exactly at midnight and the chances of being hit on say... 4: 36 are exactly the same. For example, if you buy a lottery ticket with the numbers 01 02 03 04 05 you have the same chance of winning as anyone else. Not that it matters because I agree with all the theorys that people abandonned the normal time and set it with the end of the world.

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A few scattered thoughts.....

While I agree that the cause of the total disaster that ends the world is incidental, I feel the end is almost certainly brought on by the impact of an enormous comet or other rogue celestial body. The pulsing fireball that we see at the end is surely not the sun, but a fairly accurate depiction of what an earth-bound comet would look like on its approach. In fact, a comet on close approach would be many, many times brighter than the sun.

Although...

If it were a solar event, it would really scale up the doom-factor. I mean, if a medium-sized comet hit the Earth, there would be a reasonable chance for the survival of some people - it wouldn't be pretty, but it would be possible. With a supernova or other solar disaster, there would simply be absolutely no hope for anyone.

This film really stirs some deep feelings within me. In my lowest moments, I feel that humanity deserves an imminent, firey end. At other times, I'm so moved by acts of kindness, bravery or genius that I feel we (humans) deserve better than the lives we have been given. The final frames of the film really get to the core of these conflicted feelings, and perhaps this is why "Last Night" resonates so strongly with me.

I'm surprised by some of the U.S./Canadian squabbling goin on in these forums. I'm a U.S. citizen and regard Canada, as a nation, as I feel I we all should: As our closest friend. We have never warred and share an incredibly open, enormous border and a great deal of culture. I love all of the little differences between our countries and get an enormous kick out of the fact that I can drive north for a day and find a place where the people speak French.

Still, could this film have been made in Hollywood? I don't know. I suspect that in the Hollywood version, a rag-tag bunch of misfits would have blasted the comet (or whatever) to smithereens at the last minute and then Pokey and Sandra Oh would have gotten married.

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if the aztecs can make a caleneder the works for thousands of years why cant scientist predict the ending of the world down to a certain time? they never show the world ending with a clock at the side at 12:00 then u see the world blow up so it could have been sooner or later.

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Well...there was that little matter of the War of 1812. Sorry about burning down your White House.

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edited away...

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The problem is the only two facts the film gives us about the end of the world directly contradict each other. One implies the end of the world is manmade; the other implies the end of the world is celestial. They cannot exist together.

Sure they can.

If the Earth is somehow losing its gravity and is falling into the sun, who's to say the government didn't decide to nuke itself just to save everyone the lengthy pain of getting hotter and hotter until we cook, not to mention avoiding the lawlessness, rioting, etc. that might come with just letting it peter out at the end.

After all, people could leave the city and try to escape a nuclear attack, but if you knew that it was coming, wouldn't you rather head *into* the city to avoid the chance you'd survive pitifully in the wasteland?

And with regard to the time issue, I like the idea that they either did it at midnight or that we all set our clocks so that whatever happened would happen at the stroke of midnight. I like the end of the day/end of humanity symbolism.

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