Does anyone have a problem with this?


I have an ethical disagreement with this film, on the grounds of meddling with history and historical fiction. It goes like this:

The song "Gloomy Sunday" ("Szomorú Vasárnap" in Hungarian)is a real song, and the urban legend about the suicides it has inspired is as true as urban legends get. However, the song was not written by András Arádi, as in the film; the real composer is Rezső Seress, a similar sort of man who allegedly wrote it over a breakup with a lover. He even committed suicide himself, although he actually jumped out a window in 1968. While I'm a little miffed about not giving due credit to a real person for his own song, okay, I'll go with it. Reluctantly. They're making up things about his love life, so call it artistic license and make up a new character.

Here's what I'm not so sure I can appreciate: the character of Hans Wieck. Fine until he reappears in Budapest as the Nazi official in charge of transporting Jews to Auschwitz. He saves Jews from the camp for 1,000 USD, and at the end of the movie is heralded as having saved over 1000 Jews. HERE'S THE RUB: there actually was someone in that exact position, a lieutenant with that precise function, and this man who did NOT save those thousand Jews was REPLACED with a fiction. It's like wiping out history, on a subject and scale that really shouldn't be tampered with. There WERE actually people in Budapest who did save Jews in those numbers, notably Raoul Wallenberg, and in my opinion, to invent a Nazi character who takes credit for something like that in the very same city, even in fiction, is a disservice to Wallenberg's memory. The very scale of the claim is really what offends me. No doubt, there are many instances of Nazi officials being paid off to spare Jews, and the claim of 3 or 5 or 10 cases with Wieck's character wouldn't be nearly as offensive. Numbers like that could reasonably be written off as artistic license, saying something about the commercial regard to lives in WWII.

My disagreement with this is further deepened by the fact that the movie mixes fact and fiction so readily in regards to the song as well. Using such a real and famous song and legend leads to confusion as to whether this is just a fictional melodrama or a factual biopic, in which case, it completely obscures the replaced Nazi lieutenant's reality , as well as Rezső's authorship and life story.

I'm not saying that it's a poorly done film (the cinematography is pretty good, as is most of the acting), and I'm not saying I would censor the film or anything, I just had this debate with my girlfriend over whether or not it was a worthy story to tell. I don't even really think it's artistic enough to be talking about love and death and menage-á-trois, and least of all, about the Holocaust. If I had been the producer, the script would never have gotten this far in this form. I'd also like to add that I'm not Jewish or personally affected by the Holocaust or anything, I'm just uncomfortable with screwing around with such delicate history. I mean, there are still Holocaust deniers out there claiming that it never happened, or that it wasn't that bad! This is ammunition for them.

Tell me what you think, my girlfriend says I'm overreacting and that it's just a story like any fiction that uses fictional characters.

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I did not have a problem with it because I knew the story was fiction, even if there were elements drawn from real history. If it were meant to be anything else, it would have been done as a proper docudrama.

I would be pleased to see a documentary about Seress and the urban legend that is the song "Gloomy Sunday", but this film is not that one.

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I completely agree with you, the whole thing is a debacle and a disgrace to both Seress and the history of the time. The problem arises when slices of history are presented as entertainment and artistic licence is then used to justify entertainment rather than art. Personally I feel this adds to the tragedy of holocaust denial and in an odd way adds to the tragedy of Seress' own life... this song did not him any favours and there is enough story in that for a film without inventing history.

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Thanks for your honest reaction. Of course, I speak for myself, but I never would have known about the real "Hungarian Suicide Song" or the real heroes who saved so many lives in Nazi Budapest were it not for this film. Watching it haunted me. This haunting led me to internet searches, where I learned more about the fiction and the non-fiction. I found your post, for example. If I'm honest, I don't think I would have cared enough to learn about the true stories were it not for this film. To that end, then, the film would appear to have done history a favor. :-)

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Nazi Budapest, really?

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Although you are very much correct that this isn't based on historical fact but rather fiction and that due credit was not given to the original composer, my pinion is that this is just one of the many movies that takes some small historical fact and blows it out of proportion by implementing some love story to it.
Think again about other movies. What about Pearl Harbor? Troy? Titanic?
Just take these things as they are, simply fictional movies, and enjoy!

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it's just a movie, and frankly the type of people that would watch this movie are the type to know that there's an artistic license being used and that this is a "fictional" historical drama

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This movie prompted me to do some homework and learn about the real story behind the song and the circumstances surrounding it, so I would say that the film is a good thing, not a disgrace.


I got girls up here do more tricks than a god damn monkey on a hundred yards of grape vine.

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It's funny, some films walk all over history and yet I love them ("Amadeus"), while others take liberties and it pisses me off ("Copying Beethoven").

In all fairness, if it's billed as fiction or even historical fiction (not a documentary), then we should be prepared to accept whatever comes along. But still there are times, as you pointed out, that the historical tampering could be slanderous or damaging. Especially when we're talking about something so emotionally charged as the Holocaust.

So, to answer your question, I don't think you're overreacting if it bothers you like that. I know I overreact with my hatred of "Copying Beethoven" because I thought it was just a bad movie. Whereas "Amadeus", which slanders poor Salieri to the point that history may remember him as a murderer, is fine with me because it was a great movie. Haha.

With that in mind, I thought "Gloomy Sunday" was a pretty good film, so I'm not bothered by the wild distortion of facts.

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Movie makers are always changing history. Look at "Monuments Men". A guy from my church (90 year old) says he was one of them actually, and that the movie is in no way true.

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