I know it's only a single harmonica playing Saint-Saens' The Swan (and not very frequently either), but one of the rules of Dogme is that the sound is not to be produced, one of the examples of which is that there should be no soundtrack. Does anyone know why Von Trier used music then?
shareProbably because he wanted to and could "confess" aftwerwards. As it is impossible to follow Dogma to the line, directors used to submit a "confession" at the end of the movie, where they asked for forgiveness and listed all the things they'd done outside the dogma. The harmonica must have been on Idioterne's list.
shareerm, it was allowed because the person playing the song, was playing so behind the camera, yes the sound was coming from a source out of shot. but it was not an external sound added at a later date. I read an interview with von trier where he said that. may have been in 'trier on von trier'. so yeah, it wasn't breaking the rules technically, but not really in the spirit of them either.
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And wasn't there a rule to not make the boom mike appear more than 10 times though the picture? LVT, confess!
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It doesn't say tha non-diegetic sound can't be used. It says, 'The sound must never be produced apart from the images or vice versa. (Music must not be used unless it occurs where the scene is being shot).'
shareIt does say that non-diegetic sound can't be used... the harmonica was a soundsource outside of the film world, non-diegetic, and therefore using it broke one of the rules it was meant to adhere to...
shareNone of the dogme films follow that rule. The dogme films often breaks there wow of chastity. For example your question why Von Trier used music. If the dogme rules where followed you wouldn't know that it was Trier that used music in the film cause he should not have had any credits for making the film. But we all know he did it..... Also worth mentioning is that Lars Von Trier as a person always breaks rules. All his films breaks rules, dogme rules, rules of filmmaking, rules of narration and so on. It's kind of his style being opposite to conventions of all kind. That's why he's so good!
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it wasn't a use of music, the music was infact playing in a park nearby where the it was filmed and so is allowed by dogma rules
share"it wasn't a use of music, the music was infact playing in a park nearby where the it was filmed and so is allowed by dogma rules"
I simply can't believe this. I've just watched this movie, and it was quite obvious that the music wasn't playing on the set, one would've been able to hear it. Furthermore, the scene where they all jump around and have fun in a park, the rest of the sound is turned down, so the music totally dominates. This nearly impossible to do without adding the music WHILE editing. Trier breaks his rule-breaking rules. It's disappointing. Trier even critized Vinterberg for manipulating with the light with a small piece of cloth against the window. And then he does this. Not cool at all imho!
Ehh, to my opinion there was just somebody playing the harmonica behind the camera. Of course you couldn't see the person but it was allowed concerning the rules of Dogme 95.
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