I think i know why he killed that High School Football Player. In the scene at the bar, someone says he's going to be in the FBI one day. Since the cops in his mind are FBI, maybe he kills the football player for that reason.
What do you guys think?
I hate to say it, but I think he just does it to ruin everyone's good time.
He seems to like the character played by Cox, but I believe Vann killed the wife too & made it so Cox's husband character is the fall guy.
He killed ... just to kill. With no anger, no remorse, just to watch the domino effect of having done it.
LOVE this movie, Wilson should play serious more often.
Definitely true about the domino effect. But I don't think he killed the wife, because the only burst of violence we see from him is with his girlfriend. He doesn't consider himself a violent person. Then again, he probably doesn't consider himself mentally ill.
shareWell, my whole take on it was that he kills people who are miserable. I think he feels he is doing them a favor. Maybe he saw that the football player was miserable because his coach was too hard on him. The man in the diner looked unhappy and Sheryl Crow's character was certainly very miserable. I kept expecting him to kill the couple he was living with. They were very unhappy, but then I remembered his rule about not killing people he knows, even though he broke it that one time. He is certainly a very interesting and unique serial killer. Very rare.
shareVann put the flask on the dash and the rest was up to the kid. I don't think there was much premeditation. I'm not sure that he chooses his victims in such a direct manner as to pick out who is going to be in the FBI in the future. His approach is too passive for that. Sheryl Crow's character has the same misfortune. Only the guy in the restuarante was actively poisoned and he was entirely random.
I doubt he killed the wife. Serial killers usually stick to the same M.O. His was to poison his victims. Since she was beaten to death and not posioned I think we can assume Doug is culpable.
This may not be anything but the two violent "scenes" in this film are the same: Jane being bludgeoned in the head with a hammer, and the hallucination Vann has earlier with the 2 FBI agents in his room, the one goes after him with the hammer to the head. A hammer to the head is pretty specific, I wonder if that is any kind of clue that Vann did kill Jane after all?
shareOkay, not sure about this, since it has been a while, but I don't remember there being a scene of Jane being killed. I believe Doug just states how she dies. I don't recall Vann getting hit in the head with a hammer either. If the the FBI/Vann scene is after the scene when Doug tells Vann that Jane was bludgeoned with a hammer, that would easily explain Vann's later halucination without implicating Vann in Jane's murder.
shareI'm leaning that way, too. I think it's an indication that he is "splitting," which would make sense when considering his internal voices are changing--the usual "FBI agents" are about to leave "his case." Also, the expression the FBI shows him is baning his head against the wall in a violent manner.
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Yeah I agree with one of the poser. He is fascinated by things happening around him, the people, the what-ifs, and ultimately I think he just kills to see what happens.
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I totally disagree with the domino effect thing. He never sticks around for the aftermath according to what we know of his past. After he killed Casper he just left her there. He also doesn't seem that interested in peoples reactions to Gene's death, he just goes with the flow and blends in. He didn't stick around for the man in the diner either. I think he almost lets him victims choose themselves. When Gene asks if the flask is alcohol Vann changes the subject, like he's giving him a chance, then Gene asks if he can have some and Vann lets him. Don't know about Jane's murder though. It does seem obvious that Vann did it from the FBI dream, but during his inner monologue during the movie he wonders to himself if Doug did it.
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Yes, I think you're right. The FBI is a threat to Vann and anyone joining the FBI is a potential tormentor like Yoakam and Haysbert.
Remember that even Vann said he broke a couple of his own rules in killing Gene. His motive was to eliminate one more potential threat.
the comment about the FBI was just so random. Vann is not stupid. even he would know that the FBI job would be 4-5 years away.
No, the kid was miserable and Vann picked up on it. when they were talking about him in the pizza place, yu could just see that Gene was cringing with all the praise and expectations.
so Vann put something there for Gene to choose or not choose. and Gene being a kid and wanting to escape for a while, wanted a drink.
Ooops.
The character Vann said he didn't know why he broke the two rules, but he was aware that he had.
sharewow okay that's really super awesome I never thought of that, I think you on to a great point! that does make sense too.
shareWell, he got Gene's job after Gene disappeared.