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A -boring- movie about Gilbert & Sullivan? Impossible you say? Nay! Try this one.

Like Spielberg, the sets/scenery are great. The acting is actually quite good. But the story ... schnoooore.

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Have to disagree with you son. You are abviously not into arty movies really. You would probably find movies like The Red Violin, Legend of 1900, Howard's End, A room with a view boring. In my book this is my favourite movie, and didn't get the credit it deserved at the oscar's. I think the Americans don't like the English

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Perhaps some Americans don't like the English ... hmm.
I just realized that you must be referring to the English people rather than to the language that English people speak. I find the dialogue funnier each time I see the movie, for example, the discussions among Gilbert, Lily, Grossmith, and the costumier.
Although I have never found the film boring, I was initially impressed by the amount of time Mike Leigh took to bring us to Gilbert's moment of inspiration. It seemed to me a very British way of retelling the story, and it reminded me of the one time I saw 'Young Winston' at the brash age of 20. I remember marveling that anyone could expend so much footage on the minutiae of the life of the British Empire during the Victorian era. And the film only takes us as far as young Churchill's attainment of a seat in Parliament! Now, I only say bravissimo to Leigh (and to 'Young Winston's' director) for taking a painstaking approach to retelling such a truly remarkable story.
Boring? Not at all!

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Your message is a bit paradoxical, as you mention an English film that won the best picture Oscar (not to mention the plethora of British actors and films that have won Oscars over the years).

I realize that you invented the language, and that Yanks are responsible for all of the evils that befall it, but west of the Atlantic we capitalize the word Oscars and refrain from placing apostrophes in our plurals.

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'I realize that you invented the language, and that Yanks are responsible for all of the evils that befall it, but west of the Atlantic we capitalize the word Oscars and refrain from placing apostrophes in our plurals. '

Neither ought we EAST of the Atlantic. Alas, the latter lamentable practice you mention is all too common now, and is only one of a host of teeth-grinding blunders committed against the language here (and I wasn't even born here, by the way). Please refer to my message to aegisthus under 'Help with Pinafore lyrics' for another comment I made. Sorry to sound so supercilious - but this happens to be a real gripe of mine!

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I agree with Lucky-63--it was boring, or close to it, for all but rabid Gilbert and Sullivan fans--more like a thinly fictionalized PBS documentary (except perhaps for the bedroom scenes)than an imaginative biopic of G and S. Why not something more along the lines of Shakespeare in Love or Amadeus?

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Amadeus was good but Shakespeare was crap. How the *beep* it won all the oscars at the academy awards I will never know. Elizabeth was released the same year, and in my mind should have won all the oscars that Shakespeare won. Gwyneth's performance was nowhere near as good as Cate's. And sonny I am not a Gilbert and Sullivan fan by the way, but I thought this was a brilliant movie. Did you watch the movie The Cradle Will Rock, directed by Tim Robbins I think?? Also a superb movie which didn't get the credit it deserved. You guys are obviously not into this type of movie.

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I must say that Topsy Turvy is perhaps one of the greatest films ever made. Anyone who fails to see its genius simply has not spent enough time observing the film's many beautiful subtleties. To my eyes, the film seems to have been made almost in the same way as a theatrical performance might be produced. Every character, no matter how small, has some part to play. This leads to a film brimming with fullness and an appreciation of nuance. Certain scenes seem completed by little more than a tone of voice, and many scenes are enhanced by almost imperceptible "looks" and motions that can only be caught upon further viewing. All the characters are horrible and wonderfull at the same time; nearly all of them are shown to be constantly suffering; they are all thoroughly human. This movie presents the drama of daily life in the same way that Seinfeld presented the comedy of routine. To call it boring is merely a failure to understand the film's true genius.
But that's just my take.

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A thousand years after the original post regardless - Blancett's performance (apostrophe appropriate) was brilliant. However, the movie was not. It bore not the slightest resemblance to the historical record except for that breathtaking recreation of the coronation portrait. That movie disappointed on countless levels. Topsy endeavors to recreate a historical moment and to me, does it brilliantly.

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Shakespeare was crap. How the *beep* it won all the oscars at the academy awards I will never know. Elizabeth was released the same year, and in my mind should have won all the oscars that Shakespeare won. Gwyneth's performance was nowhere near as good as Cate's. And sonny I am not a Gilbert and Sullivan fan by the way, but I thought this was a brilliant movie.


I totally agree with you.

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Granted, I'm a Mike Leigh fan. But, I enjoyed this movie because I like great dialogue. I don't get boring, but then again I can't watch a Will Smith or Adam Sandler movie. Who knows? Movies strike a chord or they don't. Still, my favorite Mike Leigh film is "Life is Sweet" Check it out.

Turn it Up! Bring the Noise!
The 1st Rule of Fight Club is....

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I LOVE Life is Sweet, but my favorite Leigh film is Happy Go Lucky :)

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AH, THE JOYS OF SEEING SWINE PREPLEX BY THE PEARLS BEFORE THEM. "TOPSY-TURVY" A BORING MOVIE? STICK WITH THE FINGER PAINTS LUCKY-63. THIS FILM WORKS ON SO MANY LEVELS Its MIND BOGGLING. IT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A STUDY ON THE PRICE ARTISTS PAY FOR THEIR ART, BUT BEYOND THAT IT IS A STUDY ON A SOCIETY AT ITS PEAK OBLIVIOUS TO ITS OWN MORIBUNDITY. A SOCIETY THAT IS SOON TO BE “TOPSY-TURVY.” FOR AN EXAMPLE JUST ONE SEQUENCE OF LAYERING FEATURED IN THE FILM. FROM THE PLAY WITHIN A PLAY OF THE MIKADO YOU HAVE THE LORD HIGH EXECUTIONER SISTER IN LAW SINGING HER SONG OF HOW SHE'LL COME TO POWER AND MAKE EVERYONE BOW BEFORE HER, WHILE IN THE REALITY OF THE THEATRE YOU HAVE ALL THE WOMEN FIRMLY UNDER THE THUMB OF MALE DOMINANCE AND THE ACTORS COMPLAINING OF BEING PAID “LIKE WOMEN.” THEN YOU HAVE A THE JUXTAPOSITIONING OF THE SONG WITH GILBERT WANDERING THE BACK STREETS OF LONDON AND BEING ACCOSTED BY A STREET WHORE, THE ULTIMATE EXAMPLE OF SEXUAL REPRESSION BY A PATRIARCHAL SOCIETY. HE BRUSHES PASS HER BUT AS HE DOES SHE SHOUTS “WHO BIRTHS THE WORLD YA BASTARD,” A MANIFEST THREAT TO MALE SUPREMACY. GILBERT RUSHES FROM THE ALLEY BACK ONTO A WELL LITE STREET, SAFE AGAIN. THEN SUDDENLY FROM AROUND THE CORNER COMES A GROUP OF MEN RUNNING WILDLY FROM SOME UNSEEN THREAT. IT IS AN AMAZING WORK. AND LUCKY-63 I SUGGEST A STEP LADDER IF IT WILL HELP WITH FILMS THAT GO OVER YOUR HEAD.

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<finishes reading the above post>...And now I am blind.

I'll to agree that while the film is rather dry in places, the underlying references, humor and tension make it a supreme success. Whether or not it is "entertaining" is based on viewer preference. It was a great deal unlike the edgy, thriller films I was used to, but most of my favorite films are from outside the usual fair.

I was actually transferring from theatre to film studies when I got to see this film for the 1st (but not last) time, so it struck a very personal chord with me. Much of the intimate moments about artistic creation/success/failure were very true to life, despite their anachronistic surroundings. That's where I thought a great deal of the timelessness came from.

For a lot of people, the manner of speech and events can be very dull and/or disorienting, and all those musical interludes don't help, but the film is a real triumph in achieving its primary story of Gilbert & Sullivan's waning career, and then the world that surrounds them.

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My problem with the film is that it was so obsessive about getting the details of Victorian society that it couldn't, or wouldn't, give any insight into how Gilbert and Sullivan's work satirized that society. For example, the film went on and on about the Japanese content of "The Mikado," but had almost nothing to say about the fact that the whole play is a satire on English society, English prudishness (that's where all the stuff about flirting being a capital crime comes from), and the English idea that all cultures are just like them. Gilbert was a writer who was obsessed with the stupidity of class, social conventions, and inequality; he dealt with these issues in a "topsy-turvy" way, but they're there. The "lozenge plot" was important to him because it showed hypocrites being forced to really become what they pretended to be; he influenced Wilde and Shaw in the way he satirized the hypocrisies and stupidities behind social conventions. Almost none of this is in the movie; instead Gilbert is just a stuffy pillar of the patriarchy.

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Count my vote with the yeas. Allan Cordener is superb.

The key for me is the simple power of Arthur Sullivan's music. Mi-Ya Sa-Ma, Three Little Maids, etc. just stuns me with their melodic power. The dude could really write a tune.

Excellent, excellent movie. God save the Queen!

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The first time I "saw" this movie was on an overseas flight in a tiny screen attached to the airplaine seat in front of me. I found it boring.
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However, it eventually showed up on cable and my 25" television screen with loud enough sound and an obviously big enough picture and I found it absolutely spellbinding. We see so much into these peoples' minds and hearts and we like them all so much...in addition to that, the sets are breathtaking and the music lovely. I hadn't a clue there was so much singing talent. It blew me away to realize it was really Timothy Spall, et al. doing their own singing. I love two scenes in particular - where Lely (Kevin McKidd) blows his stack over the insult to his wife and and family during the costuming incident and his Scottish accent comes back full-force - and of course, the scene at the end where all the support players really show their support behind the dismissal or Mr. Temple's only solo (a bit which I thought was quite amusing).

It also provides a fascinating portrait of life in that era - too often all we see is a "Jack the Ripper" London and it was charming to see the lives of the slightly more privileged.

If someone doesn't like this movie, I'd only say that perhaps they haven't probably viewed or heard it. It's brilliant!


"Nobody's perfect."

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I agree with samanthaseaotter. I can't say I'm a fan of Gilbert & Sullivan and yet I enjoyed this film SO much. It's so rich, so full of colour and texture, attention to detail, and made with so much love. You really don't have to be a fan of Gilbert & Sullivan to enjoy this film. If you pay attention you can see right into the inner worlds of these wonderfully played characters, and their unspoken feelings and thoughts. All that hard work paid off.


Viva Mike Leigh!

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Glad to hear that you finally discovered what a wonderful film Topsy-Turvy is. Personally I love films too much to ever watch them on those cr*ppy little seatback screens with the awful background noise to the soundtrack.

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Couldn't disagree more. If you are a creative person, or appreciate and are not jealous of creative people, you will love this one. I don't know if you could ever ask for a better and livelier example of a creative person (Leigh) honoring other creative people. This will stand for a long time and I loved every performance.

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I can see where this movie would be over some people's heads.

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