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Hilary vs. Jackie: SIBLING RIVALRY involved?


I see that some ppl in this board are shocked, after having watched the movie, to find Jackie not as angelic as they have previously thought.

I think we shouldn't believe all what the movie says, or shows. This movie, as well as the book, is based on Hillary's perspective. Who knows if she's not jealous and trying to defame Jackie, now unable to defend her own corner?

According to many sources, there was sibling rivalry between the two sisters, mostly because ppl tended to pay more attention to Jackie, which upsets the older woman. It is possible that, in reality, Hillary never gave Jackie everything as she said in the movie (and the book). We, after all, never know Jackie's side of the story.

Sources such as Julian Llyod Weber, Pinchas Zukerman, Itzhak Perlman, Rostropovich et al. explicitly said they find Jackie in the movie different to the lovable Jackie they knew. And don't forget that when Jackie was dying, she wished her friends and collegues to be at her deathbed, not her siblings Hillary and Piers, who co-wrote the book and the movie. So I believe their relationship wasn't alles rosa.

I don't know Jackie personally so I can't say whether she was angelic, or spoilt as the movie says, or anything. But I tend to disbelieve, if not scorn, ppl who 'defame' someone who cannot defend him-/herself anymore, while making themselves look selfless, generous, and ready to sacrifice anything. I think this movie is very much one-sided and subjective.

"I can resist everything except temptations." - Oscar Wilde.

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My POV about the central portion of the movie which claims that Jackie seduced Hillary's husband, is that there is clear evidence that it was the other way around. The husband seduced Jackie. Here is information about this.


"Mendacious codswallop" is how one newspaper, the Evening Standard, described the movie's portrayal of du Pre and her attempts to seduce her sister's husband -- and the Standard has du Pre's niece to defend her. True, Jackie and the husband, Kiffer Finzi, were lovers. But Finzi was the predator, according to his daughter. Although the film was based on her mother Hilary's book, "A Genius in the Family," Clare Finzi said she felt "deep frustration and anger" at its account. In a letter addressed to director Anand Tucker --which was printed in part in the Standard -- Finzi said her father made a habit of openly seducing women in his home and even had three children by mistresses while Hilary stood by. Kiffer Finzi "had no boundaries, and he totally shied away (as he still does) from admitting the impact of his recurrent affairs on mum or his children," Clare Finzi wrote. As for her mother, her "pent-up hate and misery often directed itself at my father's mistress(es) when the affair was over."
http://www.allbusiness.com/services/motion-pictures/4827368-1.html

Bottom line; Hillary's daughter claims that her father was a serial seducer and that he fathered 3 children out of wedlock. I haven't read one word disputing this. And I've looked.

So, the film imo is mostly about Hillary's illusion concerning her cheating husband. And Hillary also tries to show that she was wonderful to Jackie. Instead I see someone trashing their dead sister's reputation for money.

Beyond the basic historical information in the movie, I don't believe a thing in it. 4/10.

BB ;-)

it's just in my humble opinion - imho -

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Thanx! really interesting to read!

"I can resist everything except temptations." - Oscar Wilde.

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Even the book isn't nearly as slanted as the film against Jackie.

The book makes clear that Jackie's love of the cello had nothing to do with wanting to stay together with her older sister the flautist, and Jackie's talent for the cello manifested itself immediately. The obsessive practicing that the movie shows her doing to catch up with her sister? Over and over in the book, both Hilary and Jackie (in quoted interviews) say that Jackie hated practicing and did it only when she absolutely had to. The nature of her talent - her ability to memorize any piece by going through it just once, and the greatness of her music that came through her emotional playing rather than cold technique - was such that she rarely needed to practice.

Looking at pictures of Kiffer, he was better-looking than his wife, and I don't have any difficulty believing his daughter's statement that he had multiple affairs, especially as she has gone uncontradicted by anyone. Presumably because the children of those affairs are proof.

One thing that strikes me about the book is how important it always was to Hilary to be alone with her sister. Lines like, "At last we were alone together" pop up repeatedly in her writing, and I think she unconsciously gives herself away there. She wanted Jackie's full attention and focus, always.

Ultimately Hilary strikes me as someone who was in love with two people in her life - Kiffer and Jackie (since they were sisters, I do not mean this in an incestuous sense, I'm just using the phrase metaphorically to denote the strength of the attachment) - two people who dazzled her, two people who she always and consistently devoted herself to and would have done anything for, and in return she of course wanted their devotion.

And from the book, I don't really have any reason to doubt that Jackie didn't love her greatly. In the book, any cruel words and behavior towards Hilary only happened after Jackie's multiple sclerosis reached an advanced stage. (The affair with Kiffer, Clare Finzi has asserted, was a result of her serial adulterer father taking advantage of her emotionally vulnerable aunt.)

But Kiffer is alive and Jackie is dead, so the book portrays Kiffer as if he is perfect and makes the affair seem a noble gesture on his part while all the negatives are dumped on Jackie's doorstep - she chased him, she begged for it, etc. Seriously, there is not one single negative comment made about Kiffer in the book, not even a "He could be messy." Certainly there is no mention made of his other affairs, so just by reading the book, you would think that he was faithful to Hilary all his life with the exception of the affair with Jackie, in which he only engaged to help her from losing her sanity altogether. See, noble.

I do think there's a little passive-aggressiveness on Hilary's part in revealing the affair at all. She could have simply left it out of the book altogether, because it's not like this was something that was known and had been talked or whispered about previously. I could understand her wanting to give her version of events had that been the case, but to reveal it while simultaneously presenting a whitewashed (in regards to her husband) version is a passive-aggressive strike against her sister in my eyes. My guess is that Kiffer never made Hilary feel like she was special (unlike the film which claims he did, but there's not much evidence of it in the book and certainly not in her daughter's account), and so when he seduced her special sister, although she loved Jackie tremendously she's still only human.

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Nice observation, but actually I'm trying to say that Hilary never loved Jackie at all. The book, the movie, they are all based on Hilary's account and on her account alone. There are always two sides of the story and it's Hilary's 'side' that is presented before us, whereas Jackie isn't around to defend her own corner. Hilary is free to weave her own story, and I'm rather dismayed that too many ppl too easily believe she is the hurted one; the one who's willing to sacrifice everything, whereas Jackie was the selfish one.

...although she loved Jackie tremendously she's still only human.


This is the impression that Hilary wants us to believe; by 'admitting' that she is not a perfect angel but had tried all she could to help her 'beloved' but 'confused' Jackie, she won the sympathy of most ppl. This is more effective than to present herself perfectly unflawed and Jackie perfectly flawed - in that case ppl would've not believed her as they do now.

I do think there's a little passive-aggressiveness on Hilary's part in revealing the affair at all.


This is exactly why I think Hils never loved Jakcie at all. Shrewdly telling the world that your sister is a spoiled little cheeky girl while you're the almost-selfless, suffering one - most ppl are under this impression after reading/ watching Hils's book/ movie - is not exactly what I would like to describe as a loving attitude.

Above all, Hils's daughter Clare - as the above poster has also pointed out - has proved that Hils is not above lying. Clare said that her mother wouldn't let her stay in her house anymore after she defied her mother's story (by saying that Kiffer is adulterous, and that he wasn't doing Jackie any favour, let alone submitting to his wife's wish to please Jackie - he even displayed abusive behavior toward the latter). I suspect - and Clare Finzi also indicates this - Kiffer was the one who, thanks to his adulterous way, seduced Jackie; Hils - hurted, helpless against her husband, and had envied Jackie since their childhood days - then vent her anger toward Jackie (a common self-defence mechanism - 'displacement' to be precise).

I wonder what Jackie would've tell us had she been able to read the book. One thing for sure, she wouldn't have let Hilary to slyly twist the fact so that all mistakes are laid on her doorstep.

"I can resist everything except temptations." - Oscar Wilde.

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