A few questions


I'm not sure whether I like this movie or not. I've been thinking about it and my GF and I tend to see opposite sides of everything in this movie. I have a few questions, and I would like to see how others look at this movie.

Why do you think Clair is in debt to Roland?
Did Clair really love Elton (Vincent's character) or was she just using him?
Do you think Clair was a prostitute since she was twelve?
Did Clair leave Elton or did he leave her?
Roland was never violent with Clair, do you think he was trying to look like a good person to others, or do you think he had some goodness in him?
What do you think the last scene with Roland and Elton shows, means?

Thanks

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*I think Claire borrowed the money for her mother-he had her room changed to a single
*Yes, I think she felt something for him
*I think Claires mother was a prostitute
*Confused about the ending of Elton/Claire relationship, but think it has something to do about the last time they were together, he was violent towards her
*Roland just may not be a violent person, and everybody has good and bad in them, just different degrees
*Confused about how much time has passed since he (Elton) was with Claire
Is Baby Jack claire's? And the woman who walks by with her head down, after Roland and Elton walk away? Was that Claire? Did she find a job in chicago? Or did she go back to Roland?

Now some questions back to you:
*Why did Elton go away those few days, and hook up with one of Rolands girls? What was the point?
*The time she was in the office, and she refused all that money and the man yelled at her to get out? What was that about?

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*The time she was in the office, and she refused all that money and the man yelled at her to get out? What was that about?

I think she thought he either had a disease or was going to be violent. I don't think the movie gives you enough clues to answer this, and many other questions. That's why, the more I think about this movie, the more I dislike it. You see, I think movies should give you enough information to figure questions like these out. But this one doesn't. You just have to go with your own "feelings" for the answers.

I felt that the reason Clair owed Roland money was because he either payed for or helped the family come to the US. There are not enough facts to back that up. There are not enough facts, from what I have seen in the movie, to back up my feeling nor anyone elses.

Movies don't have to explain everything, they don't even have to explain anything, but they do, I feel, have to give you enough facts to ferret out what the writer/director meant. And this movie doesn't do that.

JMHO

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"*The time she was in the office, and she refused all that money and the man yelled at her to get out? What was that about? "

He wanted to go bareback (no condom) and she refused.

About the debt - it is an interesting intellectual exercise to conjecture but for this film it doesn't matter how she got in debt. She is in debt to someone who seems to like to work that way: A very dangerous position even though he doesn't overtly threaten her.

"*Why did Elton go away those few days, and hook up with one of Rolands girls? What was the point?"

I think Elton went to the prostitute to see how it felt to be on the other side of the transaction Claire has with the men. Between this and the "talk" with Roland, Elton understood he was in way over his head and took Roland's advice.

"Is Baby Jack claire's?"

Wow. Cool idea.

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This is all IMHO


"*The time she was in the office, and she refused all that money and the man yelled at her to get out? What was that about? "


It was about control. She could say no if she wanted, Roland wasn't there to change that. Even if He (Roland) had her in a vice grip even if she could really use that money, She could say no. She needed to feel some power in her life.


"*Why did Elton go away those few days, and hook up with one of Rolands girls? What was the point?"

He wanted to see how the other half lived as it were. IE.. Why did Claire do this? Did she like it, or is she a victim? Elton wanted answers to these questions. Who better to ask than someone in the same boat.


Did Clair leave Elton or did he leave her?


Claire left Elton. She knew she couldn't be what he wanted and he wasn't what she needed. Their last night together drove that idea home, his frustration came to a climax. I don't think he would of really hurt or that night was a precursor to a violent relationship. It's just every time she came back from a "job" Elton needed to reposses her. That night he knew he couldn't be with a prostitute. He couldn't live the shadow of her other life. Despite his feelings for her he could never trust her. Claire due to her circumstances knew she couldn't be open or honest with anyone. She will always live with her gaurd up. Her best bet was to pay up and get far away.

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I viewed the film a couple times. I had found out about Katrin's death recently and was totally shocked, and I was compelled to see any important work of hers I had not already seen.

I had seen her in Naked, Career Girls, and Breaking the Waves...all very intense and "extroverted" roles.

A reviewer focused on Katrin's power of presence on camera. That is the only really positive thing I can find in Claire Dolan after having viewed it once for the initial impact and then again as a would-be film critic.

I think the above posters all have very legitimate questions about the story line, questions that may be answered in theory, but not certainty. Maybe Kerrigan was working hard to convey the overpowering uncertainty of Claire's sense of identity?

I don't know of many films that succeed at making mental states like uncertainty and boredom interesting.

Maybe Kerrigan was trying to accomplish conflicting goals for his audience. Creating suspense for us requires more than the minimum amount of clues we were provided. I agree with the above poster about lack of info. Creating compassion for Claire requires more character development than we were privy to. Yes, she cried at her mother's bedside, but we were never given any reason to empathize with her, just some mysterious family photos. Creating uncertainty does not necessarily require lack of information and when it does it seems to be at cross purposes with suspense and compassion.

The stilted dialog reminds me of David Mamet's dialog style, almost as if it were in imitation of it.

Maybe Kerrigan wanted his audience to pose the questions above and leave them ultimately unanswered on purpose to make us see something, but if I don't even have a clear idea of that, then all the fragmentation and mechanicalness portrayed in the film just leaves me feeling fragmented and mechanical and ready to move on to another film, probably not written and directed by the same person. I prefer films that lead me to feelings I need to feel, not away from them.

It is very difficult to even talk about such a fragmented film.

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What I found most annoying about it was the parting shot of Claire, disappearing in a field of blinding light once she had seen the first ultrasound images of her son. Mary Magdelaine disappeared the same way in Last Temptation of Christ, but that was a meaningful camera effect. This time all I could think of is, yes, happiness is really just an explosion of pleasant brain chemicals...because as the film portrays, all people are just robots driven by base emotions. I prefer to feel, even for robots, especially for robots. I appreciate a reason to do so.

I am very grieved by the untimely death of Katrin. She played every role to the hilt, even the bad one. Her passion for acting was more than inspiring.

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Like another poster I watched the film because of the late Katrin Cartlidge. She delivered a mesmerising performance as Claire.

I think Claire's mother paid Roland for getting the family to the USA by giving him Claire at age 12 as a prostitute. There's no evidence for this it's just my take on the situation. Edit: It's occurred to me since that Roland may have sexually abused Claire from age 12 hence his remark that she was born a whore and he knew it when she was 12. Then when she needs his help as an adult with her mother's health costs he puts her to work as a whore.

Roland's violence was never shown but it was palpable from Claire's reaction that he could be and, undoubtedly, had been violent. The film created a good atmosphere of menace and never more so than in the scenes between Roland and Claire. Roland seemed to express concern for her during many of their conversations and she seemed to have steeled herself to meeting him. Was he a good person in any way ..? We never see enough to decide one way or another but he lived off the earnings of women he prostituted so he's not a nice character.

The final meeting between Elton and Roland I found sinister. Elton was badly affected by his relationship with Claire. By chance he and his wife bump into Roland whose familiarity was not matched by the time he spent in Elton's life yet Roland wants to touch his wife's baby bump ... Then Roland learns Elton and his wife are having a girl. All I could imagine Roland was thinking of was the baby as a future prostitute. So the scene made me sad, because Elton was with someone else, and repulsed because of Roland.

The distance is nothing. The first step is the hardest.

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