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Great Movie But Big 'Goof'


After Jimmy rips off the old people and him and Tom are driving away, he says something about EMT's making minimum wage, like $5.15 per hour. I don't think so!!!! What was up with that? Otherwise, great movie!

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I agree that seemed pretty implausible, but yes, otherwise this was a terrific and very disturbing film. Probably the best drug-related film I've seen other than "Requiem for a Dream." It almost seemed like a documentary at times.

I wonder how real-life EMTs would see this. Obviously, this is fiction, but I wonder if the emergency situations were realistic. They sure seemed to be to me. And it appears that drug abuse is common in the medical profession, so maybe it's not so far off the mark.

It's too bad so few have seen this important film.

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by - erukiddin on Sun Nov 5 2006 13:20:44
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After Jimmy rips off the old people and him and Tom are driving away, he says something about EMT's making minimum wage, like $5.15 per hour. I don't think so!!!! What was up with that? Otherwise, great movie!

-- I thought the same f'in' thing. NO WAY do they work for that little.

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yeah brillant film but that always struck me as odd.







Was shocked when i checked out the minimum wage for the US

Minimum wage here in the UK if ya over 22 is £4-45 / $10-45(US)

Made me realise why theres such a big tipping 'culture' in the service industry.

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In the US, EMS workers are in the list of the 10 lowest paid workers (next to diswashers and meat packers.)

Tom is an ambulance driver. That is why Mr. Chen didn't want him giving medical attention to anyone. He would make less than Jimmy, as Jimmy was a Paramedic.

The other goofs in the movie are the Ambulance changes from a Ford to a Chevy in several scenes. The Chevy has a strobe lightbar and the Ford has a Revolving lightbar. You can see the "Ford" grill on an exterior vehicle shot and on the interior the Chevy "bowtie" is visible.

The "viewfinder" on the RCA video camera Tom uses is actually a light turned backwards. During the Mexican wedding/beatdown it is very noticable when he picks it up. I don't know why they couldn't find a camera with a viewfinder.

The vehicles are all missing the "star of life" on them, on the Chevy you can the outline of where it was peeled off. I assume that they didn't have the proper permits to have the vehicle on the street with them or they took them off to help with some of the shots.

When they rush to the ER they are driving over regular parking spots and not to the Emergency entrance.

I am not familiar with the Defibrillator that Jimmy is using on the cop but the ones we use now have leads attached to them to analyze the rythm. The AEDs we use now will analyze with 2 pads I am not sure if its a goof but it might be.

Overall, I did like this movie and I understand it was an independant low budget film so most of the flaws are fogiveable.

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We accually do make close to minimum wage. the long hours we work make up for a little though.

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I live in a part of the US (I would rather not say exactly where)in which, I would guess the average entry level wage is around $8.75/hr. I actually know some dishwashers that started at $9.15/hr. I was in a bar one night and this guy and girl were supposedly both ambulance personnel (I don't know in what capacity) but the female was saying she made $8.60/hr (as a city employee) and the guy said he made over $40/hr for a private company. I don't know how accurate either of them were but that really doesn't seem possible. How would the city ever be able to employ anyone if there is such a huge pay differential? I am learning to fly with an air ambulance group and I...eventually...will make pretty good money (hopefully). But that is with pilot and nursing credentials as well. But EMT's and ambulance personnel really do deserve a huge pay increase. I know EMT's who have been shot at , nearly run over, exposed to blood born pathogens and plenty of other horrible situations. Their pay scale should really reflect their hazards and level of skill more.

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The statement is both correct and incorrect at the same time. Before everyone jumps on me, let me say that I worked as an EMT for a year in college so I do know what I'm talking about. Obviously minimum wage varies from state to state, city to city, etc, but as far as the wages of Emergency Medical Technicians goes, there is one major factor that contributes to their wages, and I will get to it soon.

But first, there is one thing about the two characters that I want to clarify. There most definitely IS a major distinction between paramedics (Todd Field's character) and Emergency Medical Technicians (Jason London's character). EMTs are considerably lower on the totem pole than paramedics. To become an EMT you have to take a class which last approximately 12 hours a week for 12 weeks (while completing regular exams, practicals, ride alongs and such). After that you then have to go and work full time in the field for a year before you are eligible to apply to paramedic school. Paramedic school is either 1 or 2 years, depending on whether you do it full time or part time. After completing paramedic school, you are certified in advanced life support (versus basic life support for EMTs) and there really is a lot of stuff that they can do (starting IV's, giving various medications, declaring death, etc).

Now, back to my original point, the major factor in deciding an emergency medical worker's wage is the scope of their practice. The majority of private ambulance companies in the country are limited to non-emergency calls (mostly interfacility transports and stand-bys at sporting events). Working in that capacity will indeed pay you a low wage. However, there is usually one or two ambulance companies per county that are contracted to respond to the 911 calls. And again, we have to divide that up as well. Here the major dividing line is whether or not your company is the first responder. Here in Los Angeles county, the fire department are the first responders (all non-crime related 911 calls go directly to the fire department) So their is one company in Los Angeles county (I believe its Schaeffer if anyone is interested) and they are contracted to assist the fire department. The paramedics and emts for that company certainly make more than minimum wage (and BTW, paramedics ALWAYS make at least a fairly decent wage), but they don't make a whole lot. However, outside of Los Angeles county, their are private ambulance companies that are contracted as the first responders. First responders definitely make a career-caliber wage.

Now, to apply this to our two characters. They obviously do work in L.A. county, but they work for a private company, not the fire department. But, the company they work does indeed have the contract to assist the fire department as they are constantly responding to emergency calls. Thus, Todd Field makes a fairly decent salary but certainly nothing to write home about, while Jason London makes less than Todd, but certainly more than minimum wage. So while Jason isn't making minimum wage, minimum wage is a good measuring stick to represent how little he makes compared to what most people think that EMTs make.

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In LA, the average EMT makes between $24,000 and $31,000 per year.

based on 40 hours per week, that is $11.50 - $14.90. And they work more than 40 hours, so the pay would be less.

According to salary.com, an EMT in Kansas City, MO (where i live) would make the same. Which sucks for LA guys because a $1 million home in LA costs about $300,000 in KC, same with gas, food, etc. (here it is July 10th and gas has yet to go over $3.91.


http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layoutscripts/swzl_salaryresults.asp?hdKeyword=EMT&rdbSearchByOption=0&hdSortBy=0&hdJobCode=HC07000326&pagefrom=selectjob&hdJobCategory=HC02&hdGeoLocation=Beverly%20Hills,%20CA%2090210&countertype=0&hdJSBoolDisplayAdvertisement=true&totaljoblistnum=4&hdAjaxKeyword=EMT&hdAjaxKeywordWithOR=#EMT#&hdOmniNarrowDesc=Healthcare%20--%20Technicians&hdZipCode=90210&hdOmniTotalJobsFound=4&hdStateMetro=98&jobcounter=1&op=salswz_psr&txtKeyword=EMT&hdSearchByOption=0&hdLocationOption=0&hdViewAllRecords=0&hdJobTitle=Emergency%20Medical%20Technician&hdAjaxDisplaySection1=1&hdAjaxDisplaySection2=0&hdCurrentPage=1&hdNarrowDesc=Healthcare%20--%20Technicians

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Something's really wrong with this system. Too bad ambulance drivers don't get tips for saving lives.

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the old lady gave them a loaf of homemade bread ... that was a nice tip :P ... of course they boosted her vcr but hey, they saved her husband's life ... and shot her little jack russel up with something ... so there's lots of give and take in this caring world :P



take care,
cormac


"One star in the sky
so I named it Otis Redding"
-- John Hiatt

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It's a balancing act, I guess. It's interesting to watching this movie now that VCRs can be bought for a couple bucks at sidewalk sales and thrift stores everywhere. Or just check your local Dumpster.

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Actually this was one part of the film that was correct.
I work as an EMT in California and only get paid a dollar over minimum wage. This movie was made in 1999 so minimum wage was a lot less back then. It's a sad reality of the U.S :( .

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I'm a EMT-Basic in Texas. I get paid $13 a hr

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