New to Babylon 5


Hi all, I have only seen 2 eps from the first series and didn't get into them.

I like the sound of The Crusade and looks good as well.

My question is : Do I need to know anything before watching this, something from the original series..

Is it going to matter if i have not watched the original series?


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Before I answer your question, I'd like to recommend that you give Babylon 5 another try. If you don't, you'll really be doing yourself a disservice, not necessarily regarding your understanding of Crusade, just "in general."

If you decide to take the above advice, follow the order at the bottom of this post. Bear in mind, that between the pilot and the series (Babylon 5), some things changed. They didn't have the makeup nailed down yet (e.g. Delenn, G'Kar, Londo's hair, etc.). In the pilot, Delenn was a somewhat androgynous character, and in the series, she's female. The pistol and rifle weapons changed, the head doctor changed (Dr. Kyle -> Dr. Franklin), and a lot of the more extreme aliens from "The Gathering" were dropped. Oh, BTW, the higher a Centauri's hair crest, the higher that individual's position/rank. e.g. Londo's is higher than his aide Vir's. It's a status thing.


If you decide not to take the above advice, watch Season 2 "The Geometry of Shadows" (because it introduces Technomages.) and then the movie "A Call to Arms" (the setup for Crusade) and then Crusade in the order listed below.

The Gathering (pilot) [2257]

Season One ("Signs and Portents") [2258]

Midnight on the Firing Line
Soul Hunter
Born to the Purple
Infection
The Parliament of Dreams
Mind War
The War Prayer
And The Sky Full Of Stars
Deathwalker
Believers
Survivors
By Any Means Necessary
Signs and Portents
Grail
Eyes
A Voice in the Wilderness - Part 1
A Voice in the Wilderness - Part 2
Babylon Squared
The Quality of Mercy
TKO
Legacies
Chrysalis


Season Two ("The Coming Of Shadows") [2259]

Points of Departure
Revelations
The Geometry of Shadows
A Distant Star
The Long Dark
A Spider in the Web
A Race Through Dark Places
Soul Mates
The Coming of Shadows
GROPOS
All Alone in the Night
Acts of Sacrifice
Hunter, Prey
There All the Honor Lies
And Now For a Word
Knives
In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum
Confessions and Lamentations
Divided Loyalties
The Long, Twilight Struggle
Comes the Inquisitor
The Fall of Night

Season Three ("Point of No Return") [2260]

Matters of Honor
Convictions
A Day in the Strife
Passing Through Gethsemane
Voices of Authority
(this was originally meant to air before "Passing Through Gethsemane," but since the events of this episode tie into the beginning of "Dust to Dust," and aren't mentioned at all in "Gethsemane," the initial airing order is actually an improvement)
Dust to Dust
Exogenesis
Messages from Earth
Point of No Return
Severed Dreams
Ceremonies of Light and Dark
A Late Delivery From Avalon
Sic Transit Vir
Ship of Tears
Interludes and Examinations
Walkabout
War Without End, Part One
War Without End, Part Two
Grey 17 Is Missing
And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place
Shadow Dancing
Z'ha'dum


Season Four ("No Surrender, No Retreat") [2261]

The Hour of the Wolf
Whatever Happened to Mr. Garibaldi?
The Summoning
Falling Toward Apotheosis
The Long Night
Into the Fire
Epiphanies
The Illusion of Truth
Thirdspace (TV Movie) [obviously in 2261]
Atonement
Racing Mars
Lines of Communication
Conflicts of Interest
Rumors, Bargains and Lies
Moments of Transition
No Surrender, No Retreat
The Exercise of Vital Powers
The Face of the Enemy
Intersections in Real Time
Between the Darkness and the Light
Endgame
Rising Star
The Deconstruction of Falling Stars

Season Five - ("Wheel of Fire") [2262]
No Compromises
The Very Long Night of Londo Mollari
The Paragon of Animals
A View from the Gallery
Learning Curve
Strange Relations
Secrets of the Soul
In the Kingdom of the Blind
A Tragedy of Telepaths
Phoenix Rising
The Ragged Edge
Day of the Dead
The Corps is Mother, The Corps is Father
Meditations on the Abyss
Darkness Ascending
And All My Dreams, Torn Asunder
Movements of Fire and Shadow
The Fall of Centauri Prime
Wheel of Fire
Objects in Motion
Objects at Rest
River of Souls (TV Movie) [2263]


The Legend of the Rangers [pilot movie, late 2265] "just under 3 years after the events of 'Objects at Rest.'" This means it will be set in late 2265]


A Call to Arms (TV Movie) [January 2267]


Crusade [January 2267 - Fall 2267; January 2267 - December 2271 was planned]
This ordering, which JMS specified, ignores the uniform change in favor of maintaining continuity of storyline, except that I moved War Zone to position 1. Crusade only got 13 episodes because it was cancelled by TNT.

War Zone (chronologically takes place immediately after "A Call to Arms.")
Racing the Night
The Needs of Earth
The Memory of War
The Long Road
Visitors from Down the Street
The Well of Forever
Each Night I Dream of Home
Patterns of the Soul
The Path of Sorrows
Ruling from the Tomb
The Rules of the Game
Appearances and Other Deceits



Babylon 5 - The Lost Tales - Voices in the Dark (Direct-to-DVD, #1 of 1) [2271]
Over Here
Over There (contains a flashforward to 2301.)


In the Beginning (TV Movie) [told in 2278, about the events of 2245-2248] This has to happen between Crusade and "Sleeping in Light."



Sleeping in Light [2281].


KoshN - Brimstone [Stone lights a candle for the dead.] Gina: Who's that for? Ezekiel Stone: Me.

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I'd add the caveat that you can, and to my mind definitely should, skip this film altogether. It was an attempt at a backdoor pilot that failed, so it has no relation to any of the other series or films in this time line.

Plus it was really, really, really bad.


True. In fact, to my mind, there are only three redeeming factors in the entire film, the characters of Dulann (the Minbari XO), Na'Feel (the Narn engineer, a lot like Na'Toth ) and Firell (the Minbari Healer/Medic).

With extensive editing, this could be an ~OK~ short, action film, but it's bad B5. The feeling that I had when I first saw it, was that it looked like something that someone not familiar with the B5 universe or its characters would produce. It felt foreign, not of the B5 family of episodes and movies. It was as if B&B (Berman and Braga) had made it.


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It did smack of Bermaga -- the unholy union of Berman and Braga. I'm surprised that JMS was O.K. with such an obvious attempt to milk every last drop of life out of the franchise.


Well, JMS did write it, but probably viewed it as a necessary evil to get to the TV series where he'd be able to tell the kind of story he wanted to tell, and wrap up the dangling threads from Crusade (Crusade started in Jan. 2267.). The B5-Legend of the Rangers pilot, which took place in 2265, would have led into the Crusade storyline/Crusade years, and would have been JMS's way in, to wrap up the dangling threads from Crusade. See, The Sci-Fi Channel wanted the new B5 pilot and series to have a "younger cast" (younger than Crusade) and that ruled out a continuation of Crusade. Unfortunately, the way in turned just about everybody off and got killed by the football playoff game on the east coast.

When it comes to a new B5 project, there are no shortage of stumbling blocks and monkey wrenches thrown at it, be it Warner Brothers penny-pinching tightness that prevented original B5 CGI being made 16x9 (Not willing to pay for a $5000 monitor. ( themadgonerDOTcom/B5/B5Scrolls/B5ScrollsDOThtm#Screen1_01_1 ), or TNT turning out to be a sci-fi unfriendly place (TNT core audience doesn't like sci-fi.), or Warner Brothers losing 100% of 1993-1999 B5 and Crusade CGI, to Warner Brothers tiny budget for B5-The Lost Tales, to Sci-Fi Channel wanting a "younger cast." B5 is like Charlie Brown, the universe almost won't allow it to win; it's like fighting city hall every step of the way.

FWIW, Warner Brothers wants more B5-Lost Tales, but at the same tiny budget. JMS said no, and that the only B5 thing he's interested in doing now is a big budget B5 feature film. Warner Brothers, probably after choking for awhile, wants him to define "big budget."


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However, I also think a lot of the plot arcs he managed to pull off in Babylon 5 and those he attempted to set up in Crusade.


...??? Yes, and where's the rest of it? ...or perhaps you meant "like" instead of "think" ? Just wondering if there was more to that sentence.

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OK, OK, I see what you mean, now. You think a lot of the arcs, as in you like/admire/respect the arcs that he tried to do. That sort of thing.

The way I read the sentence this morning, it looked like the back half of the sentence was missing. i.e. You think a lot of the arcs ....

....were (insert any adjective).

Bottom line: I agree. It's too bad that he had to put up with the rottenness of TNT and the stupidity of The Sci-Fi Channel.

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Just wanted you to see where I was coming from. (Yeah, ended with a prep.)

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