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The sad decline of Dalziel and Pascoe'.


Both parts of "The Cave Woman" have finally screened on ABC television in Australia, (we're only one and a half series behind) ... and this once great series is hitting the skids for reasons that are obvious to Blind Freddy.

Because they believed that the character of Ellie Pascoe was unpopular, the producers dumped her, instanly making unavailable some of the books, among the best in the series, in which her character was central. A good example being the excellent "Arms and the Woman"

Warren Clarke became executive producer, and all the other characters became peripheral. The diminished role for Peter Pascoe and most sadly, Edgar Weild, possibly the most intriguing character in the series, was a fatal mistake.

The character of Dalziel became less subtle, less humorous and infinitely more unlikeable.

The most original of the books, strongly featuring Sgt. Weild was "Pictures of Perfection". Though it would have needed careful adaptation, could have been, with imaginative direction , a high-point of the whole series. It is obvious that imagination, humour, witty and lively use of regional language and many of the other features that made this show great have been banished. The last really good episode was "On Beulah Height", again based on a Reginald Hill original. What a shame.

PS. it's obvious the ABC programmers think, that as long as it's English, any ten year old rubbish will satisfy their audience. In the "new series" of "Grand Designs", the presenter is suddenly ten years younger ... bah! humbug!

But you ARE Blanche ... and I AM.

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I agree.I sat through "Demons On Our Shoulders" tonight.What a bizarre load of rubbish and holes galore in it's continuity.Peter mooches around and Andy pulls terrible faces. "Posh" works hard and Richard E Grant is as delightful as ever.But by and large hardly worth watching.Makes me yearn for the early yarns.

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Richard E. Grant always enlivens anything he touches including the episode of "Marple" screened a couple of weeks ago, (another series that started well, but eventually became stylized and formularised to buggery).

What a load of old rope "Demons on My Shoulder" was.

Warren Clarke should fire himself from production duties and get back to playing the old, amusing, strangely likeable character that the writers have unaccountably ceased to conjure up for us. Colin Buchanan, adequate , but never terribly interesting as Pascoe should take a charisma pill. Weildy should come roaring back on his bike, perhaps with an endangered rent-boy riding pillion and the new producers should engage the services of some decent writers, (perhaps Steven Moffatt, writer of the "Blink" episode of "Doctor Who" and the new "Jeckyll" series, if they could lure him back to such a troubled project).

When I say new, I mean new for the ABC. Their most recent British programmes are a year old and they're still serving up decades old crap in prime time to fill the hours. They need some money and a new -broom through the place.

But you ARE Blanche ... and I AM.

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In the States, we used to have a rather sophisticated channel on cable television called "A&E" for Arts and Entertainment. I was priviledged to see many wonderful English programs here - "Blackadder" and "Solo" and "Hot Shoe Show" and very cool little miniseries that we'd never get anywhere else, even on PBS such as "Life and Loves of a She-Devil" and "The Cloning of Joanna May." We even got the first couple of seasons of "Dalziel and Pascoe."

Now A&E is another crap cable channel that gets its jollies from bad reality shows like "Intervention" and edited for language/violence versions of "the Sopranos." (Much as it sounded like, and was, a joke on MADTV, they actually did this.)

We don't get any more "Dalziel and Pascoe." And BBC America is mostly reduced to showing crap reality shows (would you believe they're still showing "Trading Places" and "Coupling" but gave up on the really old, good stuff like "Lovejoy" and "Red Dwarf"? Now all we seem to get is junk like "Hotel Babylon" and "Footballers Wives."

damn! BBC America and A&E are really letting us down - I'd rather take the awful new episodes of "Dalziel and Pascoe" over this tripe anyday!

Samantha
"Nobody's perfect."

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It's karma for what America did to "Till Death Us do Part", (All in the Family), "Steptoe and Son", (Sanford and Son) and "The Office", (The Office).

" ...edited for language/violence versions of "The Sopranos." ??? ...so they crap on one of the two really good shows produced in the US in the last 2 decades?, (the other being "Six Feet Under"). Something's seriously wrong over there and it can't all be blamed on Bush.

But you ARE Blanche ... and I AM.

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Appreciate your comments. I may just not bother with watching anything beyond Season 4.

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Because they believed that the character of Ellie Pascoe was unpopular, the producers dumped her, instanly making unavailable some of the books, among the best in the series, in which her character was central. A good example being the excellent "Arms and the Woman"

That's not true - the U.S co-financiers insisted that the producers drop Susannah Corbett simply to save money; Reginald Hill then went on to write the books which featured Ellie as a central character by way of protest, making them impossible to adapt.

And Warren Clarke's production credit on the later series was for 'Executive Producer' not 'Producer' - this doesn't actually mean he had any creative input but is common practice in the television industry (especially in America) and is basically a way of paying the lead actor more money when giving a simple pay-rise may not be an option (letting Colin Buchanan direct several episodes was a similarly concessionary gesture).

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That's not true - the U.S co-financiers insisted that the producers drop Susannah Corbett simply to save money; Reginald Hill then went on to write the books which featured Ellie as a central character by way of protest, making them impossible to adapt.

Really? I just now read this. I wonder where this information came from?

I thought I'd read (here, on one of the threads) that Corbett herself wanted to drop out of acting for a time, while she raised her new baby...was that inaccurate?

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The series really declined and the acting got incredibly worse. Not only do you have the cliché story lines, you had some unbelievable situations.

I think the best and most consistent acting in the series was done by Pascoe and Lateef. The new cop who joined in series 10 seemed like a creepy fanatic during the football episode and she just got worse from there - she always has this 1000 mile dazed/lost look and every expression is the same. Then you have the nurse in the hospital series and the worst had to be the cop in the Amsterdam episode. So many weak actors in that episode.

I should have quit watching the series after a few seasons, but I hoped it would get better. Anyway, it's just background noise.

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I liked the ones based directly on the books, especially On Beulah Height ... it is a pity that the very best book Pictures of Perfection, was virtually un-filmable ... It went downhill when one of the most interesting characters, Sgt Wield, was written out of the series, and Warren Clarke as producer, vastly expanded his own role and unbalanced the characterisations do carefully worked out by the superb Reginald Hill ... though the books did tend to lose their punch in the last few outings.

But you ARE Blanche ... and I AM.

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Yes I've been rewatching the series from the beginning and the quality of writing has definitely gotten worse. I also think there were some bad decisions regarding weird camerawork & trying to make it seem modern which just makes it seem dated now unfortunately.

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