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better 2nd time watching it


When i first saw it, i thought it really sucked. It looked like a visually "sharper" image version of Koyanisqatsi, but failed to live up to the hype that the trailer for it showed (which is a fast-paced, awesome sounding part in the middle, started by a bullet shooting from a gun and showing lot's of scenes of protests). I expected it to be like this through most of the movie, so you could imagine my disapointment when i first saw the 5 minute long montage of an empty brooken busted building (perhaps repressenting the modern day tower of babel).

Yet the second time i saw it, and all the times since, i have fallen ever-more so in love with it for what it is on it's own. The music is unbelievable, and when not compared to the hype that the name itself conveys (life is war), when just accepted as the hollowed-out empty building in gray scale, as a matephor for our pressent and future lives, it truly is quite remarkable.

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I completely agree, the first time I watched it I was quite bored, yawning and looking at my watch.

The second time I watched it, I liked it a lot more.

To all those people dissapointed, just watch it for a second time. Don't compare it with the first two parts, switch of your intellectual mode and just enjoy the images and the music.

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I did not even realize that there was a trilogy. I saw this at Borders today and bought it because I loved Koyaanisqatsi, but I was severely dissapointed with this film. I realize that it is supposed to be different, but this has nowhere near the impact of the first film. I remember being completely mesmerized and emotionally affected by Koyaanisqatsi. The Jackson Pollack analogy is entirely accurate IMO. The first movie is expertly crafted and ranks as one of the finest cinematic experiences in my lifetime. Noqayqatsi in comparison seems like a collection of hastily assembled cheesy and synthetic images dubbed with a rather unspetacular soundtrack. The off color filters and loosely connected parade of images failed to convey any thematic meaning and made for a very uncomfortable viewing experience. Maybe this is the director's intention, however I did not appreciate it. I hope the second film in the series is much better.

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It is.

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Great art takes time to understand and appreciate. Many people are not concious of what they are seeing/hearing for the first time. You refer to the music. It is the award winning classical minimalist Philip Glass in all three of the trio of Qatsi films. See Fog of War and Glass takes the Oscar for his soundtrack in The Hours.

Read or see film documentary of Robert Hughes Shock of the New or Jerry Manders book, The Four Arguments for the Elimination of Television.

Mark Seibold, Artist-Astronomer, Portland Oregon

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Was a joint involved in your second viewing?

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As an accomplished artist of observational astronomy to some degree, I appreciate many of the great accomplished artists in our world. I have also produced award winning and worldwide published night sky photography that has been commissioned into many successful venues. I have worked as an actor on professional motion film sets.

I can say that I appreciate your change of mind after the repeated viewing of Naqoyqatsi. It says something about what we have heard so many times over the millenniums. Many people who say, look at a Picasso or Pollock painting for the first time, conservatives that balked in 1964 at the Beatles music, the uneducated in the world of art and art history, usually express a repulsion upon their first views of this misunderstood art or its prime intention.
Many renaissance artists’ masterpiece works were terribly criticized by the general uneducated proletariat when first unveiled.

Another good example is that many people were reported to have walked out of the theaters in 1969 in the first 15 minutes of showing Kubrick’s 2001: A Space Odyssey. Many of those people never went back to complete the viewing of that film in their lifetime. I can tell you that I have conducted my own studies of this- Those people who walked out were found to be very narrow minded and not educated in the arts- Simply put, they are not artists and thus trying to educate them in this arena would be to no avail. They do not have the patience to understand nor would they want to. Many are ultra-conservative in their views [read- they have neurotic fears and terrible misinterpretations about the world and our existence the universe.] They would do better to stick to Hallmark movies and avoid fine art museums. Evening prime-time TV sit-coms should be advised for them. Maybe they should stick to Ted Turner colorized versions of great black & white classics?

These people are deeply disturbed by intense art and they may misunderstand it to a great degree. And herein lies the precise intention of these films by great directors like Godfrey Reggio, the portrait photography of Richard Avedon, or the surreal paintings of Salvador Dali- All of these artist have stated that great art must disturb. I agree with that statement and that is also my personal intention in my art- Great art makes great statements about life and humanity that can disturb many people, especially those which possess a weak understanding of real life and culture. It is not the intention of these great artists [or motion film makers] to only exist for your personal entertainment or personal gratification to compare one particular movie with another as to which one you think is the better because only you misunderstood it.

What bothers me in many online sites that allow random comments is that anyone can simply log in and write meaningless comments about great cinematography film art that did not pander to their personally distorted desires, music or an artist’s work in general, without showing us their professional credentials or arts education.

Naqoyqatsi has the great potential to teach, where other directors motion film works have only served to fall pitifully short to entertain the mundane of our world with useless banal imagery. I would advise those who can only understand the mundane, to seek lesser objectives in life- Perhaps they will learn something about what great art is. They might return here one day to announce that they finally woke up after some arts education was pursued.

I would invite anyone who wrongfully criticizes any of Reggio’s film work as not living up to their personal standards, to show us your artwork and what it has done to make a great and meaningful statement for others to learn from as all of Godfrey Reggio’s films coupled along with the thought provoking genius of Philip Glass’s music have made great statements about humanity and our modern world in many ways that will live forever in the motion film history volumes.

Mark Seibold, Retired IT Tech, Artist-Astronomy Educator, Portland Oregon

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Oh boy, I'm glad a someone with "credentials" is here to tell people who were extremely disappointed with Naqoyqatsi that they are wrong. Ok, well I myself have released numerous internationally known albums, am a recognized and selling visual artist and an art curator. Is that enough to have a valid opinion?
The film is a mess. Life as War? This was a bunch of disparate images with no connective tissues whatsoever. Is there a Hopi word for "Everything is Everything" or "Hey, We Met a Computer Programer".
I can't even see Reggios hand in this. The first two left me floored. The imagery, as abstract as it is, has a coherent message. They are masterpieces. Naqoyqatsi leads you on a trip to nowhere. Computer treated stock footage and psychedelic graphics are fine but this came off amateurish(I hate to sound condescending to someone I admire as much as Reggio). It felt like he gave the film over to the computer programmer and let him take control.
My feeling while watching this film is, "I wish he had taken a little more time on this". He's better than this and this was a missed opportunity.

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I am impressed being a minor artist at first, and still impressed right now. Anyone know the fonts used throughout the film? Don't how to start another thread.

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