I don't want to sound thick, but I keep debating over whether he is or not. I know he contracted HIV -- at least -- but it seems foggy to me. They don't seem to be hanging onto the last threads of his life... he's not sick yet... ahhhh clear my mind up, please!
shareI'm not really sure about that either. But since his girlfriend had just passed away a few years before, I doubt he was dying quite yet. I'd bet he was taking some medicine to help him also, since he found out so early that he has HIV too. Hopefully that helps a little.
shareBut if he had HIV or AIDS why would Joan sleep with him?
Does she love him that much, that she is willing to die for him, with him?
Joan doesn't sleep with him, not in any sexual way. If you recall she says that it will be hard for her to not be able to express her feelings for him physically. Secondly, simply having HIV doesn't mean death, drugs can keep a person with HIV alive for basically a normal lifespan now. So it is quite possible that she would sleep with him in the future. She gave up drinking for him, might as well give up a normal life and spend tons of money on drugs her entire life in the name of love right?
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Two words: Magic Johnson.
Take whatever he's been taking for the last decade.
Let's also not forget one word: condoms.
People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who really do.
They never sleep together in the movie, they were just in bed together. I don't know about you, but a 97% success rate would not be reassuring enough for me to sleep with someone who I knew had HIV.
My guess would be that he's still in the early stages of HIV in the movie, and it hasn't escalated to full blown AIDS yet. How quickly someone becomes sick depends on the individual person; look at Magic Johnson, still going strong.
EXCUSE ME! If you don't mind, the corpse still has the floor.
Oh, it's highly possible, even likely, that Keenan and Joan might choose never to have out-and-out sexual intercourse, though I rather imagine that in real life they would use condoms to have regular intercourse on selected occasions, and have less mechanical but more protracted love-making without full intercourse on most occasions. Choices like this are always intensely personal, but there are a lot of things a couple can do by way of love-making that don't require putting the old pole in the hole. The movie's point on this is that there is no love without risk of some kind. People often dread emotional risk more than they dread the literal risking of their lives, and that is why there are so many lonely people in the world. Joan chooses the path of courage.
People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who really do.
Isn't it funny how people automatically assume things? Now, I'm not jumping down anyone's throats here seeing as I too drew the same conclusion, but we are never actually told that it is HIV that Keenan contracted.
It seems the obvious choice, and is most likely what willard Carrol wanted us to think, but there are other things he might have contracted. Hepatitis (sp?) for example...
Die, Aragog!
Who is Pete? And why do we care for his sake?
Ehhhh... it would seem to me the conclusion goes beyond "obvious." "Beyond a reasonable doubt" is more like it. Hepatitis is curable. If Keenan had only had hepatitis, his emotional reaction to his medical status would not have been the same as is shown in this film, any more than if he only had gonorrhea and couldn't get penicillin until the weekend was over.
People who think they know everything are very annoying to those of us who really do.
I apologise.
I wasn't aware that it was a crime to speculate.
How can I ever be forgiven?
I was merely trying to point out that it might not have been HIV, although that is the most likely...
Die, Aragog!
Who is Pete? And why do we care for his sake?
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Sorry you're talking about Hep A, but Hep C is worst and you cannot drink, and when you take drugs, for a year, only 25% get cured.
Had a friend with Hep C....
I'm not crazy I'm just not your kind of sane
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did u ppl really watch this movie or what ?
Ok read this and get the conclusion :
And you shared everything.
We-- We shared everything.
That must be nice.
It was...
but...
in addition to sharing|all of those things...
it turns out I was also sharing her...
with a variety of other people.
I hate to say this...
because l-l don't want|to diminish your feelings...
but, sadly, that happens every day.
Those other people shared needles.
She died last year.
But not before sharing...
one final thing with me.
And that could very well be hepatitis, not necessarily AIDS.
Many years ago I had a girlfriend who had hepatitis, and yes, making love was risky if unprotected. I don't remember exactly which (I think it was A), but in any case, she had to take some very weird drugs including interferon.
To this day, she is fighting the illness.
i totatally agree with Freedomisanillusion.
they never said he got HIV. when i was watching this with my friends, we discussed that it could be hepatitise as well. Freedomisanillusion, i am on the same page as you.
Cheers, eh?
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Peolpe here assume way too much. I know it's wishfull thinking but maybe the last thing he shared with his dead lover was... the bad news. If he had aids the whole ending doesn't even make sense.
share"I know it's wishfull thinking but maybe the last thing he shared with his dead lover was... the bad news."
You need to watch -- and listen! -- again.
This was a little fuzzy to me as well...I couldn't tell if he had just found out that his ex was HIV positive or if he had found out that she had definitely passed it on to him.
shareokay this is what i got from the movie. The character Keenan and his ex-girlfriend "shared everything" from the stumble in his voice while delivering the line, you later learn that his ex was also a needle drug user, thus....connecting that Keenan was too because they "shared everything". Now it was also stated that Keenan was faithful only to her, but she "shared" with other people. He was then infected with what we are lead to assume is HIV positive, although i guess it could have ben Hep.
OR...
it could be that neither he nor his ex were users, and that she was just stupid enough to sleep around with junkies who shared needles. And then through sex passed it on to him.
AS FOR...
the Spreading of the disease (lets say HIV for arguments sake) directly from the Trojan condom web site: "Using latex condoms each time and every time – the right way – can help reduce your risk of getting or giving an STD. During sex, using a latex condom is the only way to help protect yourself and your partner against HIV/AIDS. " So as you can see condoms do help PREVENT the spreading of STD's including HIV, but nothing can 100% guarantee you not contracting the disease other then knowing 100% by being tested and by having your sexual partners tested BEFORE engaging in any physical sexual relationship.
THUS...
Keenan and Joan could have a very cautious physical relationship, but must rely on the non-sexual physical, and of course emotional relationship for under the surface connection.
Ok, maybe I'm naive, but am I the only one in this forum, who thinks Keenan isn't sick at all?
Let me explain:
When he's talking to Joan about his girlfriend he says that they shared one last thing and I always interpretated this like he felt like dying with her, because he loved her so much and not because of sharing a deadly disease with her. Does that make sense to anyone?
And he at first does not wanna have sex with Joan, because he doesn't want to rush into the relationship but take it slow. In the end they cannot resist and have sex.
I stand but that: They definitely had sex and weren't just lying in the same bed.
No! From the VW soliloquy, we can glean that the ex-girlfriend shared HIV only -- he was not a needle user; the guys the ex- slept with while with him were. He's HIV positive and presumably on the drug regimen, since he won't drink alcohol. But the point of their relationship in the movie is that Jolie's character apparently had no trouble falling for jerks who wanted sex; and he won't have sex "at least for now" [later scene in her LR], in an abundance of caution, because he loves her so much. Obviously, they found more to do than "hold each other" [same scene], and the intensity of their love for each other made whatever they did something he "never imagined" [or some such, said in later scene in bed]. The fact that they can, and undoubtedly will, have double-condom sex is beside the point in the time frame of the movie. Her temporary heart tatoo (color-coordinated with her dress, of course) and alcohol abstinance, and the fact that he's present at all [wedding dance scene], are the testiments to their relationship.
shareActually he never says he won't have sex "at least for now" - what he said was "we can never have sex". That bit is pretty clear. They "sleep together" in the movie quite literally - they lie in the same bed and sleep.
shareSince they never say what he has we can't be too sure. I always assumed he had Hepatitis because it is viral, spread several ways including sex, and you can't drink alcohol because hepatitis destroys your liver. One can have sex when infected with Hepatitis just as with HIV as long as they are practicing safe sex. Which does not include two condoms. That creates more friction and more breakage than using just one condom. Not a good idea. I'm surprised so many people think that's a reasonable solution. I guess some people missed that day in sex ed.
shareAre you kidding or are you from the bible belt? Considering the level of education in the USA it could be either one.
And yes it is possible that Keenan has hepatitis C. I personally don't think it is any better than having HIV. They are both contagious through blood and eventually fatal (even if it takes many many years).
jeez ppl
its about playing by heart and not diseases
anyways: hepatitis C is fatal and well you have to take interferon but it does sh*it (believe me i know)
so when keenan said that the girl didnt share one final thing with him...well i dont understand: if she shared they cant have sex bcuz of the disease he prolly get
but he said that he didnt get that
so? i till dont get it
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While is death may not be imminent, he's wary about passing his HIV unto Joan through sexual contact...
shareIt wasn't clear, but I think he did have some STD, and not healthy. He does say that "for now" they cannot have sex, he never says never.
shareAlso worth noting that the movie is set in the days before AIDS was as treatable as it is today, as evidenced by Mark dying. Depending on the actual year, Keenan could have died several years later (if he had HIV) or could still be living with HIV.
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