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I Feel sorry for malachy (father)


he looks to me as if he tries but its all too much. what do u all think. do you think he is useless or desperate?

~Gem


"I'm an adult, I can find out for myself"

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His real personality is more evident in the book. He doesn't try so much at all.

The thing with the baby Margaret Mary in the beginning was totally cleaned up. What happened with the baby's corpse is avoided in the movie...

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what happened?????

"I'm an adult, I can find out for myself"

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I think he's both useless and desperate. He will try every once in a while, but not really. Overall, he's desperate--for alchohol. You're right, it's sort of hard to tell from the movie, but he is pretty useless and doesn't try.

Never judge a book by its movie. -J.W. Eagan

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Malachy was a loser alcoholic deadbeat lazy PRICK! The best thing he could of ever done for his family was leave them forever.


"Get In Touch With Your Inner Bitch!"

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That's so untrue. Did u even read the book? I haven't seen the movie yet but even though he didnt give much to Frank in money or food but he encouraged him. Without his dad Frank wouldve gotten nowhere i mean maybe the movie protrays it differently but if you read the book then you missed the point big time.

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Like thats really going to help when your siblings are dying all around you and you cant do a thing. You know your dad can, and yet he doesnt. Encouragment will only get you so far. He needed his dad to be a role model, and i wouldnt give him much credit for the way Frank turned out.

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I felt sorry for him.

I mean, I just WANTED him so bad to change!

And even though it's apparent he didn't try hard enough to change, I still wanted him too.

The boys loved him, and him and Angela had their sweet moments. Man, I just wanted everything to work out :\

And I think he's both useless and desperate. Useless cause he can't keep a job and isn't dependable. Desperate for a life that's different from the one he has now and desperate for alcohol.

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The Father is so complex! He ALMOST mended his ways when Little Margaret was around, her death killed something inside him. The fact her little body was never buried proper and Catholic was heart wrenching in the book (I believe the rumor was it was sold or something to a doctor for "medical use") The book was like a car accident, it was painful to read, turned my stomach and at one point made me want to wretch-but I could not put it down. I won't see the movie because the book was so heart wrenching. The Father did teach his kids how to read, I remember that,he also was very good at calming them down and keeping them from dealing with too much but he did become a deadbeat, losing Margaret and then both the twins proved too much I guess.

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The book gave a clearer description of him. If you read it, you would no doubt see Malachy as a useless drunk. Occasionally, I did feel slightly sorry for his persistent alcoholism, but it's hard to sympathize for someone who uses all the money they're supposed to be earning to help their family survive to buy beer. When he's sober (not often) he can be very loving towards all his children and Angela, but when drunk or in the presence alcohol, he can be reckless (fighting and yelling) and direspectful (putting his beer mug on one of his son's coffins). Overall, you have to remember that he is just human and weak when it comes to fighting his temptations.

"El-arairah, your people cannot rule the world for I will not have it so." ~Frith

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Yeah, I agree He was one Crappy Dad. And that's just me being kind.

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But the worst thing was that you really, really wanted him to change and knew he never would.

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Okay for those who didn't read the book, Malachy can be summed up in one scene in the movie ... when Malachy takes Frank to the office of a man in charge of IRA pension claims. The man refuses to give the McCourts any money, saying he has no record of Malachy’s service but gives him a few coins to pay for his fare home, realise that Malachy has NO money, but instead of taking the coins and using it to get his family food / transport etc etc he already has plans to spend it on a drink... nice father figure!

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I hate when people refer to alchoholism as an "illness". It sounds like such a copout.

I sympathized with the father. In certain parts you could see that he really wanted to be a good father, but he just didnt know how, he couldn't change his ways. I guess I could relate because my father, and many other Irish men, is a lot like that. I know my Dad loves me, but he just isnt sure of expressing how much.. I guess its hard to relate to..

"You're an eating disorder, people look at you and throw up."

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I find his "character" to be interesting as my Dad is an alcoholic as well. There are differences though...my Dad holds a steady job and thinks almost solely of money and rarely thinks of his kids. Malachy can't keep a steady job to save his life but he's kind and cares for his children. His personality when he's sober made me desperately wish he'd change because my Dad lacks that type of a personality. If he could have kicked that habit he'd have been almost perfect.

I wish Frank had gone to see his Dad (I believe someone mentioned that he did but I'm not sure if that meant he visited often or just once.) because I'm curious about what it was that made him leave. He never struck me as the type of man that'd actually leave...I was shocked when he did.

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You haven't seen people die from it then. I watched my uncle slowly deteriorate from alcoholism until his liver finally failed. He died too years ago at 59 but he looked like he was 95. He stayed with us for about six months and he was so weak he needed help just walking around. It still makes me said to think about, it was one of the saddest things I ever saw in my life. His arms and limbs were so thin but he had a large stomach, partially fat but partially his disease. It was hard for him to keep any solid food down. It is a disease.

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Oh, he is a horrible father. He was rarely around and when he was he only made it worse for his family. The father in "A Tree Grown In Brooklyn" was also an alcoholic but he was a much better Father. Malachy only cared about himself.

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I felt for him in some scenes but when he took the £5 for the baby to the pub when everything was beginning to change for him that made me think..what a prick... Robert Carlyle played him brilliantly and tried to make you feel sorry for the man which you did

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Malachy was also in belief that he would get some sort of pension from the IRA
for "doin his part" this also played a part in his personallity.
when he found out he didn't that also sent a clear message thta he was a loser to them.
on the positive side he di instill story telling in his children with tale sof Cuchuulan and Fiona.( great tales kinda like our Paul Bunyan and Odyseus)

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I was really frustrated, I couldn't believe she didn't send him away earlier but she did get some good lines in. "If there were no more children I think I could stand eternal damnation."

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Angela is not 'cheating on him', you jerk (or jerkette)! How old are you? OK, you're probably not mature enough to understand what is going on in the book.




better sorry than safe

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