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A choppy + soapish narrative of modern Hungary's sad history


Although this film got me interested in Hungary's rather sad history, as well as those distinctive uniforms from the regency period, I would have to describe it as essentially a choppy and soapish narrative of modern Hungary's sad history. I prefer to focus on the political and military aspects of the film instead of the silly romantic subplots. Not only was there open and violent displays of anti-semitism, but all those political upheavals with revolutions followed by counter-revolutions and followed again by more revolution. Until recent decades, one would think that Hungarian politics is a tragic dialetic cycle of conservatism versus socialism. In the first act (the polite Habsburg period), Hungarian society was anti-semitic but polite about it, like the rest of Europe. Then, all of a sudden, Hungarians started to display their anti-semitism very openly. Did this have to do with Hungary's defeat in World War One and how Jews were blamed for the surrender to the Allies? After Admiral Miklos Horthy's regency/dictatorship was replaced by the communist regime, the barbaric socialist bosses were just as anti-semitic as the old capitalist order that they sought to destroy. All the while, God knows how many Hungarians were dragged into show trials before meeting their final fates.

To mitigate the depressing aspects of Hungary's unstable political history, the story includes a series of steamy romantic stories that make your daily TV soaps look tame in comparison. A man taking his sister-in-law as his mistress??? It is VERY STEAMY because it looks so taboo. Having the lovely Rachel Weisz play the alluring sister-in-law also helps. I suppose this is the only way to keep the audience to stay tuned to the film so that the film's moral and political themes may perhaps reach some minds.

What I was most disappointed about was the short length of the film, which is really three films cobbled into one movie spanning 3 hours. This makes it a bit choppy for me because the movie switches to a new era and a new generation after I was just getting used to the previous era and generation. The whole thing would have worked better as a film trilogy or a six-hour TV miniseries.

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The root of 20th Century antisemitism in Hungary was the brutal Bolshevik regime of Béla Kun (Kohn), not depicted in the film. Kun's regime was called by the London Times "The Jewish Mafia" because 25 out of 32 of Kun's commissars were Jewish. I'm not saying it justifies what happened to Jewish people during WWII at all. But it was certainly the root of their unpopularity. Instead, the film made it seem as if the Hungarians just overnight began having open, irrational hatred of Jewish people in imitation of Hitler's Germany. That is really simplifying things, and I think that is the real danger of historical films, particularly ones about touchy subject matter like Holocaust, antisemitism, Communism, fascism. There are actually people who sadly get most of their history lessons from movies, and all films about the above listed topics are almost always told from a very subjective viewpoint, except for a few documentaries.

I also thought it was hard to follow because of the 3 stories being thrown together. There was an attempt to make it flow, but it fell flat. Perhaps it was originally planned to be a trilogy, but they ran out of funds.

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The reason it seems like a soap opera is because it is about three generations of the Sonnenschein family. It was never supposed to be a comprehensive history of the politics of modern Hungary.

I do agree on the three stories though. It didn't flow all that well.

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What? You just said that life cannot be explained in its entirety by simplifications. This doesn't mean the movie is more right, it just means the movie is just as wrong. Especially the movie. Movie industry does not make money (or fame) by depicting history objectively - it does so by depicting it subjectively. It shows us what it wants us to see and not what we should see. Not even documentaries can show us history as it happened. For better understanding of Hungarian history i recommend reading history books.

Otherwise i agree with you on the "scheme" thing ;)

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I haven't seen the film, but I know Hungarian history ..:)

Yes it seems simple, but in many Hungarians' minds Béla Kun's regime was connected with 'Peace' (what peace) of Trianon, when more than 3 million Hungarians ceased to be Hungarians after living on Hungarian land 1000 years.
I think in people's minds (maybe it was also implied by the Horthy cabinet), these 2 things became connected, they think that the so-called West punished us, bc we had a Bolshevik regime.(this regime also raised an army against the Antant and small Antant)

I am very sad that all those Jewish people died, my favourite writers as well.
Nobody can bring them back .
Many people died bc of Communism in Central Europe, please don't forget them.
The Bell tolls for everybody.

Another thing is that of course there were Hungarians who tried to help the Jews in hiding, just nobody mentions them. (Why?)

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after living on Hungarian land 1000 years. The land was not HUngarian, it was Romanian

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rofl, Romanian :) There was no Romania at that time, only vlah tribes in the mountains chasing goats :)


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Wrong, there was a Romania before WWI. It just got a lot bigger after that.
I think Woodrow Wilson was very naive in his self-determination policy. In central and eastern Europe, there were at that time (and to some extent there still are) areas that were very mixed ethnically, and where the various ethnic groups didn't necessarily get along with each other. It's really hard to say what would have been a more just solution to the breakup of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

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Maybe some of you people should actually read some history books before making all sorts of pretentious comments about things you obviously have no idea about. Romania, as a country did exist in the pre- WWI Europe, as a monarchy ruled by this guy called Carol I. The fact that it suffered numerous transformations and became bigger in time, is another story but it existed and it was called Romania not Valachia or god knows what.

P.S: take this as an accurate information coming straight from the "source", given the fact that I am Romanian. The rest, you can find in any decent European history book.

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not a chance. that land is Hungarian. Romania is a made-up country by the French.

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not a chance. that land is Hungarian. Romania is a made-up country by the French
I was about to tell the romanian guy to tone it down a notch, and then I read this... my god, are you 5 years old?!

We are living in the 21st century! Can you please bury the hatred once and for all? Yes, Hungary lost a big chunk of hungarian land to Romania after WWI. And yes, Romania did exist long before WWI. But our generations have nothing to do with this. This pathetic kind of pride is causing so much problems!

There are many examples of changing borders. For instance, Denmark lost Skåne to Sweden, Germany lost Prussia to Poland and Alsace back to France. Heck, the brits even lost Hong Kong back to China just a few years ago! The generations who witnessed these changes first hand had difficulties accepting it because one day they lived in one country, the next day they lived in another. But if you were born in Romania, you are indeed romanian and nothing else. Same goes if you were born in Hungary.

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"But if you were born in Romania, you are indeed romanian and nothing else. Same goes if you were born in Hungary. "


I'm sorry but that is simply just not true. You must be living in a fantasy world if you think its so cut-and-dry.

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Let me ask you something. My mother is hungarian, my father is austrian, I was born in Sweden but I live in Germany. There is also some romanian blood further back. Does that make me hung-aust-swed-germ-romanian?

My passport says that I'm swedish, and I'll stick with that. Cut-and-dry.

(btw it's true, I'm not making it up...)

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along with where you were born, you need to examine your genetic make-up - which seems to be Hungarian-Austrian

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Absolutely! But that doesn't change the fact that I was "born and raised" in Sweden.

Should I start picking on danish people because the part of Sweden I live in used to be danish but is now swedish? I see no reason for that. History is full of twists, changes and evolution. What happened in the past reflects the present, but does not own it.

Just look at the different generations of the Sonnenschein/Sors family! Each generation witnessed the revolutions of their time. But you don't see Ivan fighting for the monarchy like Ignatz did almost a century earlier. He is dealing with the circumstances that exist in the present, and as such he becomes a free man.

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the danish-swedish thing does not compare to the tragedy of what occurred with the treaty of trianon. Hungary went from a country of 25 million to less than 10 million. this is the point.

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So? There was a time centuries ago when Hungary was much less than 10 million. What about the surroundings of Hungary, who was once something else, then Hungary, and now something else again?

It is indeed difficult for people living in these regions; one day they're something and the next day they're something else. But Hungary has had its present borders for almost a century now. Nobody living in these regions are directly affected anymore, other than their ancestors being of another nationality than they are.

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for centuries, Hungary was one of the largest kingdoms in all of Europe.


"Nobody living in these regions are directly affected anymore,"

- this is very false. There are constant human rights abuses of ethnic Hungarians in Serbia, Slovakia and Romania. 13 million Hungarians were left outside the borders after Trianon, and are still oppressed and endangered today by nationalist slavs.

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this is very false. There are constant human rights abuses of ethnic Hungarians in Serbia, Slovakia and Romania. 13 million Hungarians were left outside the borders after Trianon, and are still oppressed and endangered today by nationalist slavs.

Yes, that is a serious problem, and an excellent example of my point. Even today, so many many years from the border-changing events, these kind of problems still exist, simply because people are so narrow minded. And it's true what you say, ethnic hungarians are oppressed in these regions!

I know for a fact though, that in some parts of Romania bordering to Hungary, education in schools are solely in hungarian, and in many cases, the people living there refuse to speak romanian at all, even towards "real" romanians. There is nothing wrong with holding on to your heritage, but to live in a country and refuse to speak its language is unacceptable!

A friend of mine, serbian, often mentions that he is ashamed of what "his people" have done towards bosnians, hungarians and so on. Well I'm ashamed of my fellow hungarians too, for the very things I wrote above...

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You just said that you're not Hungarian so they're not "your fellow Hungarians", you don't have the right to apologize in their name, so tone it down a bit buddy. You're obviously not Hungarian and know nothing in depth of the past or current situation. Just be Swedish and leave it at that you're obviously don't have your facts right so learn history and study current politics(violation of minority laws, refusing to give back properties which confiscated during Communism, etc.) to understand this situation.

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Is it these Jews?!
"Herman Rosenblat about his holocaust lies on ABC TV",
https://youtu.be/9SQWB36uKkw

The couple was even at the Oprah-show,
"Oprah's Holocaust Hoax",
https://youtu.be/rJ9geDDJbes

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