Books - Series order
I've read up to Children of Dune and I've ordered:
God Emperor of Dune (1981)
Heretics of Dune (1984)
Chapterhouse: Dune (1985)
I wonder which books the series include since I want to read the books first?
I just saw the movie Dune (1984 extended version) and Children of Dune (that recent one with Susan Sarandon) and I got all excited about the book series. I'm about to start reading the books myself.
Right after the movie last night (long as hell, I was up until 6 AM!!!) I looked up Frank Herbert and it gave a great synopsis of all his books and other material.
Here's the link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Herbert
Tons of Dune links on Wikipedia, you should check them out...
Anyhow, to answer your question, as far as I know (I was watching it with a Dune-fanatic), the series on the Sci-Fi channel includes material from the first three books only: Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune.
The first one, "Dune," filmed in 2000, mixes Dune with parts of Dune Messiah, and the second film, "Children of Dune," filmed in 2003, mixes parts of Dune Messiah with Children of Dune. Basically the first three books were split into two, "mini-series" films, or this is what my Dune-fanatic friend told me.
Hope this helps! :-)
The first mini-series, "Dune", only covers the events in the first novel. The first chapter of the "Children of Dune" mini-series covers "Dune Messiah", with the second and third chapters of the mini-series covering events in "Children of Dune".
With the novels it then advances to "God Emperor of Dune", then "Heretics of Dune", then "Chapterhouse: Dune".
Frank Herbert's son, Brian, with Kevin Anderson, has recently released the sequel to "Chapterhouse", entitled "Hunters of Dune", with the final book "Sandworms of Dune" being released in August 2007.
Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson have also written two prequel series to Dune covering the Butlerian Jihad against the intelligent machines, and a "House" trilogy covering the rise of Duke Leto the Just and Baron Vladimir Harkonnen. Both series are very good, and add more insight into the Dune universe.
Ok thanks, I'm almost done reading God Emperor of Dune (got the books finally) so it's "safe" for me to watch the mini series. :)
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Butlerian Jihad
the machine crusade
Battle of Corrin
House Atredies
House Harkonnen
House Corrino
Dune
Dune Messiah
Children of Dune
God emperor of Dune
Heretics of Dune
Chapter House Dune
Hunters of Dune
*dont know the new up coming book's title*
The proper (and only) order to read the books are:
Dune
Dune Messiah
Children of Dune
God emperor of Dune
Heretics of Dune
Chapter House Dune
Also, the first half of Road To Dune, which includes various cut out chapters and alternate stuff from Dune and Dune Messiah.
As to the "pop-up" books written by Baby boy Herbert and Kevin Judas Anderson, for your own sanity and safety, ignore them completely!! They are utter trash, written by two talentless, blood sucking leeches with less creatitity in their overblown, combined minds than Frank Herbert had in his little toe!!!!!
On my way back from holiday, and in a moment of sun & alcohol induced madness I bought Hunters of Dune, then spent the 4hr flight home yelling and cursing at every blasphemous, ill-written and insanely worded page!!!
Seriously, read the 6 golden books, then, if you are starving for more Dune and must have it... read them again. I guarantee you'll find more surprises during your second read through than you could ever find in the current Dune desecrations!!!!
Cheers!
Although I will admit that the Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson novels are not nearly as well-written as the originals, I will point out that there are a lot of people out there who find them worthy of reading.
If they were "utter trash", I would find it hard to believe that they would manage to wind up regularly on best-seller lists, especially since they are in the sci-fi genre.
Kevin Anderson has been nominated for the Nebula Award twice, and the Bram Stoker Award once.
Also, they have remained true to Frank Herbert's vision, following the extensive outline that Frank had mapped out for "Dune 7", as well as Frank's unpublished histories of the Dune Universe.
Yes, the original six novels were incredible, and no one who tries to follow in his steps will ever be able to achieve the same level within his universe. At the same time, for those of us who want to know where Frank Herbert was going to take us in "Dune 7", the new novels are the best we will get.
"Yes, the original six novels were incredible, and no one who tries to follow in his steps will ever be able to achieve the same level within his universe. At the same time, for those of us who want to know where Frank Herbert was going to take us in "Dune 7", the new novels are the best we will get."
- C Mcvey.
*** SPOILERS, if you haven't read Hunters of Dune! **********
I don't see how anyone can honestly say they are following FH's original outline. The "old couple" from the end of Chapterhouse have been revealed as the robot creations of the two new authors.
Nowhere in any of the original books, are The Enemy revealed, or even hinted at, as being robots. It was very clear that they were Face Dancers etc. I question the existence of these so-called notes from FH. If they exist, then publish them and let us read them. Dune, for me, died in 1986. I have tried several times to read the new books and find them poorly written, ill thought out and very cliched.
I have bought Hunters of Dune and at the moment can only manage 2 or 3 pages at a time before getting too disgusted to continue. It is full of inacuracies, painfully obvious is the fact that the authors do not fully understand the original material. I tried to tell myself that this book was mere fan fiction and try to get though it that way, but it ain't working.
I'm sure there will always be people who want to read the new books, I wish those people well, but I doubt if I'll ever get through Hunters, and I definately, definalely will never buy another one of these immature, and painful pulp books.
Have to go with bigunclem here. They did NOT stay true to the vision. Another example is them writing in explanations for things in the Lynch movie (e.g. the Baron's severe skin condition) that were not in the original book.
shareCheers pope duke!By the way, I had completely missed that point you made about the Lynch movie!
Chalk up yet another cock up by our two Dune Rapists!!!
Hehe. I love this old argument. But yes, I agree the original six are the only ones worth mentioning on a regular basis. I might be nice and classify, on a good day, Hunters of Dune as expanded fanfiction that happens to be passable, but that is as far as my praise goes. I never cared for the prequels, though. I really disliked them. Not only because they were written by Jr. and friend.
That Is All.
The End
Good-Bye.
By BH's and KA's own admission, they are not Frank Herbert. The man died 21 years ago and left his story unfinished. You all read the new novels under the impression that it would be exactly like the Originals.
As a writer myself I know that no two authors are ever really the same, regardless of the fact that one of the authors is Frank Herberts son. I could not expect the new ones to exceed the originals. How, when they are working on material that they themselves had not created from the ground up?
The new novels are not as good as the originals by no short measure. However, they do continue the story as close to the way Frank Herbert may have wanted them done, but because he isn't here, will never hit the mark.
So read the new novels, enjoy them for what they are, and not for what they should be.
I'm a New Yorker. Fear's my life
... However, they do continue the story as close to the way Frank Herbert may have wanted them done, ...
How do you know that?
well, from his notes, and note the word "may" in that sentence, notes don't necessarily make a novel, and Frank may taken it another way had he worked on it
I'm a New Yorker. Fear's my life
You all read the new novels under the impression that it would be exactly like the Originals.
You have no idea under what expectations we all do or do not read the prequels.
My beef is not the style of writing, as I woud be ignorant to expect it to be the same, but that they obviously detracted from Herbert's view in writing in things that contradict what was written in the original six or explain things from Lynch's movie that were not in the original. share
Hehe. I love this old argument
Me too. For my own sanity, I've never read the Kevin and Judas material. Oh! I was tempted by House Atreides when it was first published. After three or four chapters, my fingers began to burn. I don't EVEN remember what I did with this book (is it resting at the bottom of a lake, did I threw it in a volcano?). Anyway. Just stick to the books published under the name Frank Herbert.
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Although I will admit that the Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson novels are not nearly as well-written as the originals
You are far, far too kind.
They are dreck, absolute tosh of no merit whatsoever. They should never have been written. share
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Those other books do not exist. They make the SW prequels look like great writing.
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