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Comparison with the 1984 film


I recently watched the miniseries and a few months ago i watched the film.I must say i enjoyed them both.In fact i decided to buy the books and read them too.However one must compare the two and say which he prefered in each.For me it is so:
-Muad'dib:I liked the 1984 performance more by Kyle McLachlan.He had a better transformation from a naive boy,to a leader to a God among men.
-Duke Leto:Again,i prefered the 1984 version.William Hurt just seemed bored in all his scenes.
-Lady Jessica.The 2000 version.
-Gurney.By far the 1984 version of Patrick Stewart.
-Chani.Though i found Sean Young a much prettier woman,the actress in the 2000 version did a much better job.
-Stilgar.I must say the 2000 version here.
-The Emperor.The 1984 version.A better actor and more imposing.Also i cant understand why in both he is presented as a middle aged man,when the book says the spice makes him look younger.
-Princess Irulan.I didnt like her.A useless character that offered nothing.
-The Baron Harkonnen.The 2000 version.He was evil and ruthless,but also shrewd and cunning.In the 1984 film he was way over the top.Like a bad children's cartoon villain.
-Feyd.The 2000 version by far.
-The Spacing Guild.The 1984 version.
-Bene Gesserit.Neither.
-Alia.The 1984 version.That little girl was very creepy.
-The story.The 2000 version was more true and expanded itself more.granted it was over 4 hours long and could do more than a 2 hour long film.
-Costumes.The 1984 version had much better ones.The formal military ones,the combat uniforms and the stillsuits.The 2000 version at times had ridiculous costumes.
-Visual Effects.Neither.They were both bad.However the 2000 version can be redeemed by being a TV miniseries and being produced at a time when TV budgets were very small.The 1984 film on the other hand was made to a 40 million dollar budget,which would be the same as a 150 million dollar budget for a film today.Therefore they were inexcusable.

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William Hurt seems bored in everything he appears in. For me he only showed a glimmer of life in BROADCAST NEWS. He's a strange pickle. Love to see him and Christopher Walken in a film together. Now that would be insane. I prefer the original Movie in all aspects. Don't know why they even bothered to remake it for TV. Too many foreign actors in the TV Version who's english just sounded like mudd.

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I agree!
Different versions of the same source material shouldn't be mutually exclusive.
-But to me the miniseries doesn't even come close!

After trying on the series tonight, I just couldn't finish it!

Apart from everything looking like a cut-scene from a video game, and the lighting sub par for any TV production;
Either the acting is very bad or the direction so distant from how I saw the characters that most of them feel incredibly alien... Paul Atreides is no brat!

After watching for about an hour, I re-read the first 100 pages of the book and I have to say that it's within the tone and characters of the Lynch vision where my mind roams..

It's with the internal voices and dark and treacherous sets that Dune should unfold. I'd take the barons over-the-top appearance and performance, over Jessicas shallow, overt fremen-friendliness anytime!

This is an epic Lord of the Rings style and that warrants the utterly evil to contrast the perfectly good. It should be profound, not bland or fake.
Granted the original is flawed, but its delivery goes all the way. And it condenses the story extremely well..

The miniseries just felt phoned in and fake.

Fingers crossed for 2014 though

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The miniseries just felt phoned in and fake.
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The Best of 1984 version was The Worm, Emperor, Spacing Guild

The bes of 2000 was Baron, Fayed, Barons Overweight nephew

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-Muad'dib: I like Alec Newman's interpretation better. In both cases, Paul starts out a little too old.

-Duke Leto: Neither was especially good.

-Lady Jessica: The 2000 version.

-Gurney. The 2000 version is more relatable, although I can appreciate both interpretations.

-Chani: Barbora Kodetova rawks as Chani.

-The Emperor: Jose Ferrer is a better Emperor.

-Princess Irulan. The 2000 Julie Cox version. Not that Virginia Madsen is bad, but she didn't do very much.

-The Baron Harkonnen: The 2000 version. Less campy and uses iambic pentameter.

-Feyd: The 2000 version by far.

-The Spacing Guild. Again, the 2000 version is better, if less expensive.

-Bene Gesserit: 1984. Sian Phillips.

-Alia: 2000 version.

-The story.The 2000 version. There's only so much you can tell in 2 1/2 hours.

-Costumes: The 1984 version was much better visually.

-Visual Effects: The 1984 version relied much more on visual effects and costumes, and it showed. So, the 1984 effects were better.

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As a whole, the 2000 version.

Maud'dib: Alec Newman, presented much better in the miniseries than in the 84 version.
Duke Leto: I prefer the 84 version, although the 2000 version is better developed, Jurgen Prochnow just seemed more like the Duke than Hurt.
Lady Jessica: neither have my preference as an actrice, although the 2000 version is, again, better developed.
Gurney: the 2000 version.
Chani: the 2000 version.
Stilgar: Uwe Ochsenknecht, without a doubt.
The Emperor: both were quite good.
Princess Irula: the 2000 version.
The Baron: difficult, very difficult. The 84 version was indeed cartoonish, but delightfully evil. The 2000 version is seemingly cunninger, but too theatrical aswell. So the 84 version for me.
Feyd: 2000 version also by far.
The Spacing guild: 84 version, more camp, but more impressive too.
Bene Gesserit: 84 version. The costumes of the 2000 version were ridiculous.
Alia: 2000 version, way too many silly scenes in the 84 version.
The Story: voice activated weapons? Jamming the entire story in about 140 minutes? The 2000 version wins hands down, there's no contest here.
Costumes: 84 version, much better.
Music: 84 version, again much better.
Visual effects: 84 version.
Shai Hulud: the 84 version.

But in both versions there were many faults to be found, I'm hoping that the remake (which is still unclear to happen or not apparently) will be better than both.

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Gurney: the 2000 version.

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While the 2000 version had, IMO, some minor flaws, I thought it was far far ahead in over-all quality. The 1984 version was just over the top campy and bad. OTOH, I thought the 2000 version understood the *story* of Dune *far* better the the 1984 version ever did.

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-Muad'dib: Clearly Kyle Mac Lachlan, who is a great actor and seems to have fun in everything he is doing even when it is as lame as "desperate housewives". Though I do not loath the guy in the 2000 version as much as others here do, he has the right look, I think, but is stock actor material.

-Duke Leto: I also go for Juergen Prochnow. He seems more fitting to the tragical aspect of the character, and it was one of his few good attempts in Hollywood, acting-wise.


-Lady Jessica: Also, I think, this was one point were the newer version was better. In the 1984 version, the actress seemed a little too young, to be Pauls mother, and also was not charismatic enough.


-Gurney: Patrick Stewart is great in everything what he is doing, but somehow the guy of the 2000 version seems more fitting to be the weathered veteran.

-Chani: no call, because I hardly remember Youngs contribution.

-Stilgar: Also Uwe Ochsenknechts take in the 2000s version. In a bunch of mediocre actors, he was some of the better picks and gave a little more heart in his role, as for example, hurt.


-The Emperor.The 1984 version: I am torn here. Ferrer is the better actor, but Giannini is more apt to the role and shows more that Emperor Shaddam IV. is in fact a weak character and never near as dignified as Ferrer plays hin.


-Princess Irulan: Virginia Madsen, just because she is more eye candy. I do not know why Irulan has some much part in the 2000 version because all that she does is not important to the plot. She seems to be outrunned by the events all the time.


-The Baron Harkonnen: 1984. McNeice was nowhere as creepy as Mac Millan.


-Feyd: I'd go for Sting. He has little screen time but every time he is in he leaves no doubt with his smirks and gestures that he is the biggest douche in the galaxy. The 2000s guy is milktoast compared to it and you never get the impression that he shall be the premium product of Harkonnen breeding.


-The Spacing Guild: 1984 also, the negotiators were cooler, while the actual navigator was just as strange in the newer version.
-Bene Gesserit: also the 84 version, they looked tougher and more adjusted to a power-hungry order.
-Alia: Here, I liked both.
-The story: easily the newer version.
-Costumes: the design was one of the great strengths of the 1984 while in 2000, everything looks cheap.
-Visual Effects: 1984. I think much of the hate and the criticism against the effects came because they fell short against all three Star Wars movies.

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Paul/Muad'Dib: 1984 - Maclachan is the better actor and brought more personality and depth to the role. Newman wasn't bad but it just felt like he was going through the motions.

Leto: 1984 - Prochnow gave a better performance as a father figure and had an aura of inevitable tragedy and fate about him. Hurt's performance was dry, empty and boring.

Jessica: 2000 - She was much more of a character in the miniseries. To be fair, this may be due to the limited screentime her movie counterpart had.

Gurney: 1984 - The 2000 version is more in line with the book, but I just flat out prefer Stewart's performance better.

Chani: 2000 - I never really liked Young's performance, which felt almost too alien and aloof. The 2000 actress brought mystique to the role as well as a human touch.

Stilgar: 1984 - I'm honestly not that fussed on either characters, though I guess the 1984 version just came across better as a tough desert warrior/elder.

Emperor: 1984 - Ferrer had more of a regal and commanding air about him (his facade) when he needed to while still maintaining an uncurrent of weakness and uncertainty as befitting a character that is pretty much a figurehead against the true powers (Bene Gesserit, Space Guild, major Houses).

Irulan: 1984 - Both are pretty empty characers, but the 1984 version was at least stunning to look at.

Baron: 1984 - This is actually a tough one for me because I'm a big fan of McNeice and I actually think he's much closer to the book version of the baron. However, McMillan's performance is just so amazing and heinously demented that I can't help but love it.

Feyd: 1984 - Sting had an electrifying and malevolent beauty about him that you immediately felt any time he was on the screen. 2000 dude was very forgettable by comparison.

Spacing Guid: 1984 - They're kind of goofy in both, but the navigator and operatives in the 1984 film were memorable at least. I have to say I'm really not a fan of cheap CGI, though, so the show loses big points there. The concept design itself for the navigator is not necessarily bad.

Bene Gesserit: 1984 - The film version was better by far. Phillips brought more of an edge to the role and you really got the impression her order was powerful, ancient and insidious.

Alia: 2000 - The young actress is better and pulls off sinister and creepy without overdoing it

Story: 2000 - For all it's other faults (there are many) the miniseries is a pretty solid adaptation from its source material.

Costumes: 1984 - This one isn't even close. As others mentioned, the costume design, and indeed the overall look of the movie, was the 1984 version's greatest strength. The 2000 version looks very budget, and some of the costumes are incredibly silly: the emperor's outfits and the sardaukar uniforms leap to mind.

Visual effects: 1984 - I'll take dated mid 80's effects over cheap CGI and bad mattes any day.


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Great post.

My opinions are pretty much in line with what you have mentioned. Most are fairly clear cut, but I also have trouble with the Baron. I liked both portrayals, though the mini was much closer to the book and McNeice did a great job, but yes, I do enjoy McMillan's performance as well.

May we add another?

Piter De Vries: 1984 - Brad Dourif was so much better than the uninspired portrayal by Unger. Even with his very limited screen time, Dourif did a wonderful and memorable job with that role.

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Good that you add Piter - I think the same.

Some missing characters:


I would also add Liet Kynes. Here I am torn, also. Max von Sydow is just a great actor. But, in my opinion, Karel Dobry is among the few actors in the Mini-Series who stand out. And somehow, though he is just not so physically impressive as Sydow, he has more that air of mysticism that surrounds the character in the book.

- Rabban: strangely enough, this is the one character which is featured in both movie versions more than in the book. Here, I go for Lynchs "Dune". In his few scenes, Paul Smith is just so great as the big useless bully that he provides even a little ounce of humor, which is totally absent in all other Duniverse. Also, I did not like how they tried to give the character more depth by showing his ultimate downfall in the mini-series. Its more fitting to this character when they just take the notion between more important issues that his dumb head lies on a plate now.


- Princess Irulan: Lynchs version. She has not much to do than read the narration, but Virginia Madsen was one of the most beautiful actresses of her time. Otherwise, I did not like how they tried to expand the character with a pretty much pointless plot in the mini-series, which was not even in the books.

- Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam: also Lynchs version. The actress and her look is great for this character who is occupied mainly with a century long super-human breeding program.

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Very good assessments.

I see what you mean with Kynes. Sydow is a great actor, no doubt, but he never really felt right for the role, to me.

I did not care for the expanded focus on either Rabban or Irulan in the mini series, especially Irulan.

RM Mohiam in the mini was about as much a joke as the BG's costumes.

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-Muad'dib: 80s. Kyle McLachlan is a God among men.
-Duke Leto: 80s. William Hurt is not.
-Lady Jessica. 00s. Much more depth to her.
-Gurney. 80s. Patrick Stewart did more with much less.
-Chani. 80s. Had more of a romantic quality to her.
-Stilgar. 00s. His world-weariness wins out.
-The Emperor. 80s. More of a schemer.
-Princess Irulan. 80s. Virginia Madsen in her prime.
-Baron Harkonnen. 80s. More sadistic.
-Feyd. 00s. Would whoop Sting.
-The Spacing Guild. 80s. Had more of a foreboding presence to them.
-Bene Gesserit. 80s. More of a mysterious quality to them.
-Alia. 80s. The 00s girl just came off as annoying.

-Pacing. 00s. Much more digestible.

-Costumes. 80s. Some of the newer getups somehow were stranger than their mostly ugly 80s counterparts.

-Visual Effects. 80s. Though grody at almost all times, I respect Lynch's vision.

- Weirding: 00s. Much cooler than the modules.

- Music: 80s. Main theme is too memorable.

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The 1984 horrendous piece-o-crap had Sting hilariously miscast as "Feyd" and laughably bad music by Queen (Oh wait..."laughably bad music by Queen" is a multiple redundancy). It could not have been much worse. I actually enjoyed Hurt's understated performance. Prochnow also portrayed the character as someone who was understated most of the time.

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... laughably bad music by Queen (Oh wait..."laughably bad music by Queen" is a multiple redundancy).


The music for Dune 1984 was done by Toto and Brian Eno.

Queen did the music for Flash Gordon and Highlander.

By the way, Queen rocks!

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You are indeed correct. The awful music in both awful films...tends to merge them in my mind...lol.

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The music in the 1984 movie was amazing.

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The opening theme was great, but later on I wished Toto would have toned it down a notch with their guitar solos and all.

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