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In the last scene, what is the meaning of closing the bunker door?


In the last scene, the brother closes the bunker door. What would be the meaning of that?

- Id say to isolate her from the world and protect her (or both).
- My wife said to start all over again (the incest bizarre thing).

I would like to hear some opinions.

Thanks!!

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I think both suggestions are valid. In the original version of the script - and in the original novel - the abuse IS circular, and the siblings become lovers. The closing of the door at the end certainly suggests this is about to happen - but Tim Roth chose to be ambivalent about it because he didn't want the film to be too definite in implying that abuse HAS to be circular.

You can certainly also see it as an indication of the isolation of these two people - they still have each other, but they're also still locked in a stark and cold box, pretty much.

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I think that Tim Roth did not make this movie right. The book is far more better. I don't want any philosophy of the director. I want the book!

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Thank you for all answers!!

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like you, i had both thoughts. But i must admit that i was very uncomfortable with the repitition scenario. not because I needed the kid to still represent a good side, it's more because she represented a victim who had finally confronted her abuser.

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"I don't want any philosophy of the director. I want the book!"

Then you probably shouldn't watch movies in general.

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The first time I saw this movie I thought the brother was going to kill her to end the pain of what she went though. But after watching the movie again then reading the book it was definately a full circle thing.

Every time you call me a girls name I die a little inside.

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Even if the book says so, I think it is stupid to believe in a full circle. It's pretty clear that the boy killed the father to stop this evil thing. It would be stupid for them to keep the incest, especially when the last scene shows that they are obviously shocked. They both suffered so much, they couldn't have sex in those circumstances. The boy knows the police will come for him sooner or later and there is no escape. Also it is clear the boy is not the kind of people who would keep the sickness.

The closing door means "This is finished".

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Does that bunker stop the police from breaching in ? I don't think so.

Nothing like a nighttime stroll to give you ideas.

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Lara resigns herself to having sex with her brother...

It's that bleak....this is how destructive pedophilia / incest is....

This very thing happens at the end of the book...albeit in a different location...

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I believe that they became lovers in that scene when Jess is taking brother to her frinds. When her friend fails to make love to her brother Jess is actaly stoping them from making love, next what we see is him sleeping and Jess naked in armschair, drinking, It sure imply that teo OF THEM made love.

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That's not what the scene implies. That's your mind. When the girl stopped them it wasn't "Oh, I will stop them because that place is mine". She stopped them because that was a kind of abuse. She was being abusing and she stopped herself.

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I disagree with the "innocent" explanation. It's pretty obvious to me that through the film you see a progression of a flawed boy's character. When he first confronted his sister, she asked him if he wanted to know how "it" felt, ie. to be an abuser. When he caught his father in the bunker with his sister, he watched and filmed the whole thing instead of intervening once he's got evidence, eg. as the father undressed and fondled the girl. Later, he tortured his sister, and then was seduced by the mother - he didn't go through with it only because they were caught. And then, at the end, he closed the door to the bunker *after* his sister asked, "What do we do now?"

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Forgot to add that after filming the rape, the boy confronted his sister, and again, just like when he found the Polaroids, he blamed her for "letting him do it."

Quite a few viewers apparently felt the same way, judging from the comments here, with some even arguing about whether the father or his daughter "initiated" the incest.

Anyway, she then asked, "Do you want to hurt me so you can feel better?" Although he stopped eventually, it's another sign that he's not just putting his sister's interests in mind.

Correction: In my previous comment, I meant "mother-like figure." It's not the mother.

What I'm curious about is, why does the film only show female nudity of all kind, but not male? I find it a real irony with this story/film.

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>>>What I'm curious about is, why does the film only show female nudity of all kind, but not male? I find it a real irony with this story/film

Well, I think that's legitimised by the fact that it's all from the point of view of an adolescent boy - therefore, his awareness of sex and female bodies is at a peak; Jess' nude scenes are partly there to imply something disturbed in her attitude toward sexuality and her body, and partly to emphasize the way in which Tom is aware of his sister's sexual maturity.

Actually, had this story been set in the 19th century and from the point of view of a young woman instead of a young boy, I dare say that people would talk about the repression and sexual hysteria of the narrative. But in a way that IS what Tom's perspective is like, which gives the story an edge - the idea that his early suspicions might just be hysteria produced by his alienation and adolescent sexual awareness.

Anyway, I think that's why the film has more female nudity than male - it's a film seen with male eyes, and that's an important part of the narrative.

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>>>Hmmmm, Combatstah! Evidently you don't have a double-standard when it comes to gender. Beware of pretend feminists with baseball bats.

I will. Fortunately if they're only pretend, I just have to stop believing in them and they'll disappear. Maybe?

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>>>It's pretty obvious to me that through the film you see a progression of a flawed boy's character.

I don't think that's the case at all; the story loses part of its power if you see it that way - because for all his alienation we are supposed to empathise with Tom. Most of us, happily, will not empathise with the abused sister, but we might find it easier to imagine the creeping horror of Tom's suspicions and discovery, and ask ourselves what we would do. And indeed, how confused and angry we would feel if a loved and caring father turned out to be an abusive monster.

>>>When he caught his father in the bunker with his sister, he watched and filmed the whole thing instead of intervening once he's got evidence

Yes, but come on! There is no easy way to intervene in something like that! His reaction to the scene is ambivalent, but contains as much horror as it does arousal. And you'll notice, he destroys the recording afterwards simply because he cannot bear to have it, and cannot bear the implications of what he's witnessed, i.e. the complete extermination of his family for the rest of his life. If he were that sick he'd have kept it to view again.

>>>Later, he tortured his sister

Yes, because he was angry at her, and because he blames her. He wouldn't be the first person to have blamed somebody like that. For example, it's far from uncommon for husbands to find themselves blaming their wives for being raped, as illogical as that maybe. Tom's behaviour towards his sister is actually a pretty normal reaction to an abnormal situation - and of course it's easier for him to blame and confront his sister, and take his pain out on her, than it would be to confront his father. Remember, confronting his father is the last straw - that's the end of his family, and of his Dad. As soon as he says that to another person, he's lost his father forever, and has to see every single positive memory of his caring father as a poisonous lie. Tom has a LOT to lose by admitting the truth to himself and to others, even though he's seen it with his own eyes. Frankly, he could stand to lose his mother too - that also happens, where a mother sides with the father in face of that kind of accusation, and the child is blamed or treated as ill or abnormal. Tom only speaks up because of the baby, but if he'd done that before the baby was hospitalised, do you think he'd have the force of personality to convince his mother over his father's denial? Or do we think it would have been seen as disturbed, attention-seeking behaviour from an alienated teenager?

>>>and then was seduced by the mother - he didn't go through with it only because they were caught.

That's also a misreading of the scene (if you're talking about the scene I think you are). They don't go through with it because Jess actively intervenes, despite having set up the situation. She told Tom that she was going to help him lose his virginity, hence the extremely awkward and cold scene with Jess' flatmate. But Jess then intervenes because she recognises that in her own way she's abusing Tom by putting him in that situation. Though frankly, the idea that a teenage boy not fighting off an attractive older woman constitutes abnormality is a bizarre one (not to suggest such a relationship couldn't be abusive, just that not all boys that age would be aware of that at the time).

Moreover - the original screenplay had a different scene in which Tom is more or less blindfolded, and a woman has sex with him - he assumes that to be the older woman, but we understand it to be his sister. This scene was one of those Tim Roth wanted changed, because he felt it depicted the cyclical nature of abuse too strongly, implying that it HAS to be cyclical. That's the thinking that lies behind the ambiguity of the end (again, less ambiguous in the book).

>>>And then, at the end, he closed the door to the bunker *after* his sister asked, "What do we do now?"

Yes; and that implies that he has become as damaged as his sister, and that they now find they can connect in a way that brothers and sisters shouldn't. Ironically there would actually be emotion in their incest, however destructive it might be - they have several moments of physical contact throughout the film, suggesting a mutual desperation and a lack of anybody else to cling to. So, whether it takes the form of incest or not, that is what is happening at the end - those two kids only have each other, in that nobody else quite shares the experience, or can possibly understand them. Perhaps they have sex; perhaps they just collapse and cling to each other in the cold. One is very much like the other, under the circumstances.

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>>>That's also a misreading of the scene (if you're talking about the scene I think you are). They don't go through with it because Jess actively intervenes, despite having set up the situation. She told Tom that she was going to help him lose his virginity, hence the extremely awkward and cold scene with Jess' flatmate. But Jess then intervenes because she recognises that in her own way she's abusing Tom by putting him in that situation. Though frankly, the idea that a teenage boy not fighting off an attractive older woman constitutes abnormality is a bizarre one (not to suggest such a relationship couldn't be abusive, just that not all boys that age would be aware of that at the time).

I just finished the film for the first time (never read the book) and as I was perusing the comments I was struck that no one else saw what I saw... I got the distinct impression that Jess and the baby were not the only ones being abused...I also thought the son was but at an earlier age. He was acting out at school(he got kicked out of 2 different schools), was very aware of sex but when presented with a sexy older woman does not jump at the chance to have sex with her(in fact he seems more like he is being taking advantage of, molested), and even when he discovers his sister he blames her for the act not the father which he would have done to himself...thinking he had done something wrong (it was the child's fault not the fathers in his mind).

It just struck me that if the father is abusing the daughter (which he would have been doing for years), and abusing an infant (which is even more disturbing!), why wouldn't he have gone after the son as well. The son was already socially awkward before he discovers the father/daughter relationship, and its much more than being a teenager.

I don't know if anyone else picked up on this but at one point the son asks the mother to move back to london...why? was everything amazing there (obviously the abuse was happening there too) why would he feel it would stop if they moved back... I was a little confused as to why they moved in the first place. I kept wondering if they had lived there before(ie he was abused in the country but it stopped, for him, when they moved to london). Anyone notice?

Food for thought....

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I read the closing of the door as "what happened here, stays between us. it's over now".

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I have not read the book, so I'm only reacting the film.

I also thought Tom had been molested, but not by his father. I saw weird signs that he and his mother may have had something when he was younger. I mean, we see how incredibly in denial the father was when confronted. People lie to themselves so deeply that they themselves believe it, so why not the mother too?

Things that struck me odd:

- When the mother's water breaks...Tom was watching her bend over, then the water breaks and he just watches for a few seconds with a weird smile on his face, THEN he points it out to her.

- After Alice is born, and the mom is holding her in the hospital bed, Tom just sort of stands there and the mom asks if Tom "wants a cuddle" and then they hold each other. Not so weird in and of itself, but very weird for an anti-social teenage boy.

- When mom is at the kitchen table breast-feeding Alice, Tom watches her. She watches Tom watching her and then hands the baby to Jess and just lets her breast show and watches Tom look at it. Then Tom looks at the visiting neighbor girl's chest and the mom notices. When the neighbor girl goes to dry off, the mom tells Tom to go dry off too, almost like she is trying to push her son into a sexual situation. Very weird behavior for a mom. Kind of sexually manipulative & controlling.

- A ton of references of Tom being jealous of his mother's attention to the new baby. They NEVER mention Jess being jealous of the new baby.

- Tom has been troubled for some time. He had been in two different schools already. Tom had

Maybe there was nothing between Tom and his mom. Maybe is was his father when he was a lot younger? I think the whole family seemed dysfunctional and sexually charged.

I also felt a weird sexual tension between Tom and Jess. Like he was sickened by her and the father, but also angry that she didn't "choose" Tom (because I think he thought she somehow was okay with this and "let" her father do it). I had no idea that in the book that they did have incest, so I think that tension and possibility was well done in the film.

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Wow! Did we see the same ending? It was before the police know about the murder, before each sibling has to tell why their father was killed... the door shuts out the world, which they will have to deal with. A bunker is built against fallout. War or Reality.

Great movie!

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