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I've never seen so many jealous British


insecure because Americans had to join WW2 just to save their hides. Shouldn't you be thanking us for fixing your mistakes instead of whining?

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And there was me thinking that the USA sat the war out until they were attacked by the Japanese and had war declared on them by Germany...
You're an idiot, boy! Stop making your country look stupid, and doing your fellow Americans a disservice by posting dumb crap like you just did.
Now off with you before I set the dogs on you!

"Oh dear. How sad. Never mind!"

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How did you know, Guv? You psychic or summat?

"Oh dear. How sad. Never mind!"

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As an American I agree with you about the above poster. But on the same hand you got a great many Brits doing the exact same thing. making rediculous claims like how you were Winning the war even before the US joined etc...

The war was won because WE ALL pulled together. casting blame as to who did the most or even more inaccurately, who did it on their own, is stupid.

Check out a few of your fellow Brits below for examples.



I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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Check out a few of your fellow Brits below for examples.


Are you referring to me seeing as you said Brits 'below'?

I didn't say Britain was 'winning' the war before the USA joined.

1. I said the Battle of Britain was won before the USA joined and it wasn't the Americans who won it. The Americans didn't save Britain from invasion. The Battle of Britain was won over a year before the Americans joined the war and almost 2 years before major US forces even landed in Britain. Unlike France, at no time did mainland Britain (just in case you want to point out the Channel Islands) have panzer divisons and Waffen SS troops marching along it's roads.

2. I said the British were not 'losing' the Battle of The Atlantic before the USA joined the war.

3. I said the war in North Africa was to and fro (six of one, half a dozen of the other) before the USA joined the war. The British were certainly not 'losing' in North Africa. It was a seesaw affair.

That is my point.

The OP claimed America joined WW2 to 'save' the British.

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Points 1 and 3... taken. we already discussed point one in another thread.

Point 2?...
Not so much.



I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!

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Points 1 and 3... taken. we already discussed point one in another thread.


Fair enough.

Point 2?...
Not so much.


Britain was not 'losing' the Battle of the Atlantic before the USA joined the war. In fact the Royal Navy had just sunk the Bismarck and was giving as good as it got in general. The German Kreigsmarine certainly did not have the upper hand and was not 'BEATING' the Royal Navy.

The German U-boats never got even close to attaining their monthly/quarterly ship tonnage sinkings, and even if they did, Donitz mathematics were wrong in the first place. Donitz severely underestimated Britain's ability to make do with fewer imports than he realised. Even Winston Churchill himself underestimated Britain's ability to get on with fewer imports than previously theorised.

Britain didn't come anywhere near close to starving at any time during WW2.

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World War 2 is like a Football match between the allies and the Germans which the Allies one 3-2 only because the Germnans made 2 self Goals.

World War 2 was all about Hitler. About his cruelty, his victories, and his mistakes

Darkness lies an inch ahead

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The only reason why the British won those small campaigns, which were side shows for the Germans, was that the USA was supplying them

But then again, if Churchill had allocated a couple of squadrons of VLR bombers he could have easily closed the North Atlantic aerial recon and patrol gap, the "Air Gap", which was a crucial error. Instead he let Bomber Command have them all. British RAF Bomber Command was losing more of their men than they were killing even German civilians till 1943,

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Oh, look at you. Criticize America when it doesn't play World Cop by failing to come running to the rescue of every two bit eurotrash nation (many of which are the size of maybe 2 or three counties in the US) that gets into a playground squabble with whatever Euroweenie that kicks sand in his face. AND criticise America when it does play world cop, come running to the rescue of every two bit nation (many of which are the size of maybe 2 or three counties in the US) that gets into a playground squabble with whatever Worldweenie that kicks sand in his face.

Must be nice to be a little Eurosocsh with nothing better to do that collect your welfare, unemployment, free this and free that (coincidentally ruining your own economies in doing so, but who cares as long as you, personally, get your free sh!t, right?), and constantly criticise the guy who digs the ditches and protects your sorry Euroass from the rest of the world that hates you even more than they hate America.

Why don't all you Eurohomos just bnttfnck each other into extinction and let the Muslims have the place? Pretty much what's going on anyway, mmm?

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insecure because Americans had to join WW2 just to save their hides.


1. America 'joined' WW2 because they were attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor and were declared war on by Adolf Hitler. America never 'joined' the war to save anyone else's hides but their own.

2. The Battle of Britain was won in 1940 and the Battle of the Atlantic was not being lost before the US ended up in Europe in 1942.

3. Even the war in North Africa was see-saw in 1941/1942.

Shouldn't you be thanking us for fixing your mistakes instead of whining?


Shouldn't you be thanking the British that the US were able to take the fight to Nazi Germany from bases in Britain and the Med rather than having to start from scratch off the coast of New York?

You're welcome.

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Oh look, insecure jealous British. Saw this coming.

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Oh look, insecure jealous British.


Nope just a dealer of facts and the truth after idiots like you go around spouting bullsh*t.

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Yes, yes. By all means, thank you for allowing us to come save your sorry Euroasses TWICE so you could return the favor by hating us. Thanks so much, on behalf of all the Americans who died in TWO wars for your militarily incompetent and limpwristed euroweenie nations. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

PS: After you let the Muslims impose sharia law on you and are lopping off your hands and heads and enslaving your hairy armpit "women" for their harems, don't come running to us to bail you out, and for damn sure don't seek refuge here. Stay there and enjoy being their pleasure boitoys.

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Children children.

We all know the Russian won the war in Europe.

Britain and the US were just an annoying distraction.

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Derp, the Canadians did, where'd you go to school?

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So grateful. Can you try and be on time next time?

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Just think of what might've happened had Japan not attacked the U.S. and changed public opinion. Sure, opinions on the war were slowly changing but not quick enough. If you look at newsreel footage, you'll see that the Democrat Party opposed getting involved and preferred isolationism. FDR had to pull teeth just to get lend-lease. And once Japan did attack, what would've happened had Hitler not blundered by declaring war on the U.S.? Would we have started building up pur forces in England?

That was one of three major blunders that cost him the war. Another was to delay launching an invasion of Russia. Those six weeks cost him a potential victory. As for the Battle of Britain all accounts I've seen was that Britain was only a few weeks from losing but you can thank a couple of German pi,it's and Winston Churchill for turning it around. These pilots were flying a night mission and came under heavy flak. They decided to drop their load and head for home, believing that they were far from London, which was specifically prohibited from bombing at that time. The navigator hadn't taken into account the tail winds and they were in fact, over London. Churchill retaliated by bombing Berlin. Up until then, Germany was focusing on attacking Britain's military infrastructure pre-invasion, with the aiurfields the primary target. Churchill figured that if he could sacrifice the cities, that would draw the attacks away from the airfields and give the RAF a chance to rebuild. It worked because Hitler took the bait.

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Sorry, but the bit about the Battle Of Britain is a bit of a myth, exacerbated by the movie "Battle Of Britain". The Germans were thinking about changing tactics to bombing cities anyway- Hitler was convinced that that would bring the British to the negotiating table. They were encouraged to bomb the cities by the insistance that the RAF was on it's last legs- there was a lot of the similar Soviet Tractor Factory mentality in all this in that the minions always told their bosses wanted they wanted to hear for fear of retribution- and this would be the coup de grace for the RAF by forcing the remaining aircraft to commit to battle and be shot down. Goering was getting told all the time about huge RAF losses- which wasn't actually the case at all. The attrition rate was actually being covered well, indeed British aircraft production was outstripping losses by a very decent margin. Even pilot losses were sustainable, especialy as those pilots shot down bailed out usually over friendly territory, a luxury denied the Germans. Coupled to this was that no RAF base (except for RAF Manston which was the closest to France) was out of action for more than 24 hours. It is remarkably difficult to put a fighter station out of action in reality. The runways were grass so craters were easily filled. A lot of the aircraft were kept and maintained outside anyway in bomb resistant pens so the loss of hangers wasn't even that critical. In actuality in seems that at no point was the RAF that close to being doomed. Fighter Command's commander Hugh Dowding was careful never to commit all his forces most of the time- he realised that the real key to the battle was keeping Fighter Command intact to threaten any possible invasion forces rather than shooting down enemy aircraft. RAF Fighter Command ultimately was larger at the end of the battle than at the beginning.
For a good recent critique of the Battle Of Britain I must recommend Stephen Bungay's The Most Dangerous Enemy.

Trust me. I know what I'm doing.

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I thought Bungay was rather good too.

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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Aye, he's a good writer and it's a good book. I do believe that I first heard about it from you, Squeethie. Have you read his Alamein book? Pretty decent too I thought.

Trust me. I know what I'm doing.

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As an American, I would like to point out that GlennFrogg is an idiot.

On the other hand, he may simply be having fun getting some British posters wound up, and doesn't actually believe the bilge he's posting. I leave it to you to decide what that makes him.

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Not yet, I'm still busy with 1916-1917, although I've been procrastinating like hell lately.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capture_of_Oppy_Wood
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Hill_60_%28Western_Front%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_attack_at_Hulluch

What did the Bung make of it?

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

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