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I think they wanted to oddly contrast the downbeat ending with a message of hope. Yeah, Tony’s likely dead but his family can make good lives for themselves if they choose.

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Not likely, he is dead. Anyone who thinks he is not did not pay enough attention.

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He is dead, plus they can make good lives for themselves, especially now that their link to the mob has been cut.

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Not likely, he is dead. Anyone who thinks he is not did not pay enough attention.


Pay attention to what? Editing shots? Something a character said that, in retrospect, seems to foretell Tony's demise?

Chase didn't know how to end it and played us all for chumps with that steaming pile.

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"Pay attention to what? Editing shots? Something a character said that, in retrospect, seems to foretell Tony's demise?"
Since you're asking sarcastically, it is clear that you don't understand film, that's fine, but then maybe stfu and learn instead of being all edgy about it?

There are tons of analysis videos on YT about this, most of them explain very well why he is absolutely dead. But hey don't let that stop you.

In case you do want to jump over your own shadow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy7tMx6ix8g

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There are tons of analysis videos on YT about this, most of them explain very well why he is absolutely dead.


Hmm.."analysis" videos... Yeah, I've seen those crocks of shite and while they manage to string together a decent theory, at the end of the day they mean exactly zip. If Gandolfini hadn't died, there's an excellent chance they would have done a movie sequel, and there is nothing in the final episode that says he's dead that would have prevented the sequel. If it wasn't filmed - it didn't happen. The scene went to black. End of the story. The rest of the mental masturbation that fans put themselves through is just self abuse.

Chase played his fans for fools, and they're dancing to his out of tune fiddler on cue seeing something that doesn't exist.






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I love how you blatantly dismiss "analysis" (it is exactly that, why the quotation marks?) videos without a single argument. That's a good keyword actually, arguments. So far, you had none except "lol I am right and you are stoopid".
And that is why I won't waste any more time on you.

Don't feed, let them starve...

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Well, you certainly do enjoy your arrogance! Oh, and make sure you ignore this:

If Gandolfini lived and they did a movie sequel, there is nothing in the final episode that says he's dead and would have prevented the sequel. If it wasn't filmed- it didn't happen. The scene went to black. End of the story.


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So by that rationale is any movie character that dies offscreen still, in fact, alive?

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I won't even dignify that remark by explaining it, or did you not read my post at all?

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Yes, you said ‘if it wasn’t filmed, it didn’t happen’ and so I’m asking by that rationale is any movie character that dies offscreen still, in fact, alive?

What is your answer?

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Family Guy is on right now. Go watch it.

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Why are you running away from the question?

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I don't expect you to understand reductio ad absurdum or the word "context" for that matter, nor will I try to explain either to you. In the meantime, good news: there will be a new series of Beavis and Butthead coming out. Enjoy.






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Let’s try again. You said ‘if it wasn’t filmed, it didn’t happen’ and so I’m asking by that rationale is any movie character that dies offscreen still, in fact, alive?

What is your answer?

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Your "question" is a non sequitur and doesn't deserve an answer.

You think you're laying a trap with your question but you're really a lot like Elmer Fudd trying to catch rabbits. You're setting your trap in the woods and everyone else is on the main road.

You had a chance to go back and read the thread in context and, assuming you did, still can't comprehend how inane your question is or why anyone would dignify such an inane question with an answer.

But before I go, there's more good news!:

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Let’s try again. You said ‘if it wasn’t filmed, it didn’t happen’ and so I’m asking by that rationale is any movie character that dies offscreen still, in fact, alive?

What is your answer?

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Your "question" is a non sequitur and doesn't deserve an answer.

You think you're laying a trap with your question but you're really a lot like Elmer Fudd trying to catch rabbits. You're setting your trap in the woods and everyone else is on the main road.

You had a chance to go back and read the thread in context and, assuming you did, still can't comprehend how inane your question is or why anyone would dignify such an inane question with an answer.

But before I go, there's more good news!:

https://collider.com/bill-and-ted-3-on-demand-release-date-trailer-keanu-reeves-alex-winter/

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It’s a question about your assertion, all you need to do is clarify what you meant.

Let’s try again. You said ‘if it wasn’t filmed, it didn’t happen’ and so I’m asking by that rationale is any movie character that dies offscreen still, in fact, alive?

What is your answer?

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the only thing that leads me to think that he is dead is that when Bobby said 'everything goes black' when talking to them about what happens when you die. they did reference that in a flashback again after Bobby is killed just before the final episode. so this is the only evidence I have in thinking he is dead. but the ending could also mean that life just still going on as normal with his family. so who the hell knows we will never ever know. I don't think Chase even knows he made it up to the viewer.

Chase was smart in ending it that way. 13 years later and everyone is still fighting complaining debating about it.

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The fact that prior to the blackness we see a hitman head into the bathroom next to Tony, and that a pattern is setup whereby the doorbell rings, Tony looks up, then we see what he sees (in the final iteration it rings, he looks up, and sees black) makes it abundantly obvious that he’s dead.

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i totally agree about the pattern analysis, the final doorbell he does not see who it is because he was shot, also totally fits with Bobby talking about ''it's all black'' , that just cant be a coincidence...

i would have much preferred that the scene was actually filmed so that the viewers after 86 episodes would have some kind of ''closure''.

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Yes, the pattern is what sold me on it.

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The only other alternative to justify that Tony wasn't killed is to believe that the Members Only Jacket guy is actually an FBI scout who targets Tony and is just there to confirm his location. As soon as Meadow enters the door there would be a cadre of Federal Officers storming into Holsteins and the Members Only guy popping out of the batchroom with his badge and gun pointed at Tony. We know from previous scenes that the Feds are closing in on Tony and that Carlo may have flipped and offered enough evidence to have Tony arrested and charged. Also, I've never seen this covered but after Sil is shot and Patsy flees the scene at the Bing it's not far fetched to think that the Feds apprehended evidence from the shooting scene and Sil's office.

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It’s heavily explained in wiki.

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